<div dir="ltr"><div>My university (Lehigh) told faculties that we own the copyright (which is different from IP). But that was on scenario of teaching materials being posted by students on website such as coursehero - the university basically said they won't help us protect these copyright and we have to protect it ourselves. </div><div><br></div><div>Yaling</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:26 AM Tomas Helikar <<a href="mailto:thelikar2@unl.edu">thelikar2@unl.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>At our university (University of Nebraska), the university system
retains the copyright, but the investigator is free to set up
whatever license they want. I'm curious to see if there even is a
university (or their tech transfer office) that would dictate
which OS license the investigator should use.<br>
</p>
<p>Best,<br>
</p>
<div>
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<div>On 1/26/21 3:52 AM, Robin Thompson
wrote:<br>
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That sounds great, thanks both. I will let you know when I hear
back about Oxford’s policy on commercial use of IP. As above, all
authors are happy with this in principle (we are grateful that
others might want to use our models!)
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
<div><br>
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Dr Robin Thompson<br>
Assistant Professor of Mathematical Epidemiology<br>
Mathematics Institute<br>
University of Warwick, UK<br>
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<div>On 26 Jan 2021, at 00:47, Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Yes Sheriff,<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This makes sense if Robin and his
co-authors want to invest more time to invest in the
archiving process - which I support. </div>
<div>However, the license issue needs to be
resolved first. You see, for anyone to release the
model into-biomodels they need to give away copyright
to release under CC0.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And this is basically what I was asking -
what is the licensing policies the institution has?
For example, can the authors waive copyright in that
institution? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If the answer is yes and I get permission,
I promise to upload a simplified version of one of
their models to Bio-Models - one that I have
implemented with the authors permission.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This will be a nice example of what
should be done for models. However, this email thread
was intended to show the differences in approach for
licensing and float it up. Not all institutions allow
everything to creators - it varies and conditional on
many factors that may change. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope it is possible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Jacob</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 25, 2021
at 6:10 PM Rahuman Sheriff <<a href="mailto:sheriff@ebi.ac.uk" target="_blank">sheriff@ebi.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div>Dear
Robin and Jacob,
<div>I am happy to support, if you would
like the model to be deposited to BioModels
repository [1].</div>
<div>Not only the models gets higher
visibility, it might be potentially curated and
annotated and therefore can attract higher
citation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Sheriff</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[1] <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__academic.oup.com_nar_article_48_D1_D407_5614569&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=ct8WBL42ANwALp5sfmoKGqugGgF8k0-4cJjYaO-gSGg&m=-Yw1BpFxFm-_p8faDgx1YrsNo8j6cSOXM9OBk7XqvJk&s=QT4smRgJIXEaNNY8dtot9JqoHZHCMy6ZYNpNs6YvOaE&e=" target="_blank">https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/48/D1/D407/5614569</a><br>
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<div>On 24 Jan 2021, at 18:05, Robin
Thompson <<a href="mailto:robin.thompson1988@gmail.com" target="_blank">robin.thompson1988@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>Hi Jacob,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your email. I
have asked the relevant person at Oxford
University (the institution I was at
when this research was undertaken), and
I will let you know when I hear back
from them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks, and best wishes,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
<div><br>
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Dr Robin Thompson<br>
Assistant Professor of
Mathematical Epidemiology<br>
Mathematics Institute<br>
University of Warwick, UK<br>
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<div>On 22 Jan 2021, at
20:37, Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Hi Robin,
and anyone else who wants to
comment,
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When integrating
your model, you may recall I
asked for permissions to use
it and mentioned licensing
issues.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One of your
responses was that you have
to check with your
institution regarding
commercial use while you
yourself were ok with me
reusing your model and had
no restrictions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wish to
explore the licensing issue
in this mailing list to show
what are approaches of
different institutions and
individuals to the problem.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it possible
for you to check about the
policy in your institution?
The idea is to show some
examples of how institutions
approach the issue. For
example, do they delegate
the decision to researchers?
Do they have a policy about
who holds the copyright? How
do they treat
commercial entities?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know in the
US, a faculty member in most
cases retains rights for
their work, this does not
always extend to staff and I
am not sure about students.
I also know that some
academic institutions
support tech transfer
through patents and other
endeavours. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was trying to
discuss licenses here:</div>
<div><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forum.comses.net_t_issues-2Dwith-2Dregard-2Dto-2Dcall-2Dfor-2Dtransparency-2Dof-2Dcovid-2D19-2Dmodels_8433&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=ct8WBL42ANwALp5sfmoKGqugGgF8k0-4cJjYaO-gSGg&m=-Yw1BpFxFm-_p8faDgx1YrsNo8j6cSOXM9OBk7XqvJk&s=gH5csg3_h8RTAcz5uHrxGVuUx-7fyJTy-Xmq956sPAA&e=" target="_blank">https://forum.comses.net/t/issues-with-regard-to-call-for-transparency-of-covid-19-models/8433</a> </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yet this
discussion was not
concluded. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One notable
approach that Sheriff made
me aware of is taken by
BioModels:</div>
<div><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ebi.ac.uk_biomodels_faq&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=ct8WBL42ANwALp5sfmoKGqugGgF8k0-4cJjYaO-gSGg&m=-Yw1BpFxFm-_p8faDgx1YrsNo8j6cSOXM9OBk7XqvJk&s=KS6kRQBfSpa4lpZQ01NJ73yFXAOeIisbWFDK911tRl8&e=" target="_blank">http://www.ebi.ac.uk/biomodels/faq</a><br>
</div>
<div>They avoid the
licensing issues by making
all models available under
CC0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am showing
here some aspects of the
issue and asking for you to
check with your institution
to explore all aspects of
this issue so we can
properly report those in the
white paper.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Jacob</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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