<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That sounds great, thanks both. I will let you know when I hear back about Oxford’s policy on commercial use of IP. As above, all authors are happy with this in principle (we are grateful that others might want to use our models!)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best wishes,</div><div class="">Robin</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 26 Jan 2021, at 00:47, Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" class="">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Yes Sheriff,<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This makes sense if Robin and his co-authors want to invest more time to invest in the archiving process - which I support. </div><div class="">However, the license issue needs to be resolved first. You see, for anyone to release the model into-biomodels they need to give away copyright to release under CC0.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And this is basically what I was asking - what is the licensing policies the institution has? For example, can the authors waive copyright in that institution? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the answer is yes and I get permission, I promise to upload a simplified version of one of their models to Bio-Models - one that I have implemented with the authors permission.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This will be a nice example of what should be done for models. However, this email thread was intended to show the differences in approach for licensing and float it up. Not all institutions allow everything to creators - it varies and conditional on many factors that may change. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope it is possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Jacob</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:10 PM Rahuman Sheriff <<a href="mailto:sheriff@ebi.ac.uk" class="">sheriff@ebi.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Dear Robin and Jacob,<div class="">I am happy to support, if you would like the model to be deposited to BioModels repository [1].</div><div class="">Not only the models gets higher visibility, it might be potentially curated and annotated and therefore can attract higher citation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class="">Sheriff</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] <a href="https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/48/D1/D407/5614569" target="_blank" class="">https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/48/D1/D407/5614569</a><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 Jan 2021, at 18:05, Robin Thompson <<a href="mailto:robin.thompson1988@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">robin.thompson1988@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Hi Jacob,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your email. I have asked the relevant person at Oxford University (the institution I was at when this research was undertaken), and I will let you know when I hear back from them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, and best wishes,</div><div class="">Robin</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 Jan 2021, at 20:37, Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Robin, and anyone else who wants to comment, <div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When integrating your model, you may recall I asked for permissions to use it and mentioned licensing issues.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One of your responses was that you have to check with your institution regarding commercial use while you yourself were ok with me reusing your model and had no restrictions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wish to explore the licensing issue in this mailing list to show what are approaches of different institutions and individuals to the problem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is it possible for you to check about the policy in your institution? The idea is to show some examples of how institutions approach the issue. For example, do they delegate the decision to researchers? Do they have a policy about who holds the copyright? How do they treat commercial entities?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know in the US, a faculty member in most cases retains rights for their work, this does not always extend to staff and I am not sure about students. I also know that some academic institutions support tech transfer through patents and other endeavours. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was trying to discuss licenses here:</div><div class=""><a href="https://forum.comses.net/t/issues-with-regard-to-call-for-transparency-of-covid-19-models/8433" target="_blank" class="">https://forum.comses.net/t/issues-with-regard-to-call-for-transparency-of-covid-19-models/8433</a> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yet this discussion was not concluded. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One notable approach that Sheriff made me aware of is taken by BioModels:</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.ebi.ac.uk/biomodels/faq" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ebi.ac.uk/biomodels/faq</a><br class=""></div><div class="">They avoid the licensing issues by making all models available under CC0</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am showing here some aspects of the issue and asking for you to check with your institution to explore all aspects of this issue so we can properly report those in the white paper.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Jacob</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>
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