<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Robin, Thanks Yaling, Thanks Tomas,<div><br></div><div>You gave examples of 3 institutions and how they address some licencing issues. Notice that sometimes universities will have different policies for students, faculty and staff as well as some grey areas such as post-docs. </div><div><br></div><div>I was at the University of Michigan at several as a postdoc and as staff and read their regulations multiple times and the rules do change from one category to another. Moreover, in the University of Michigan they had an office called Tech Transfer and in it specialists that deal with licensing and patents. This shows you how broad this issue is. </div><div><br></div><div>I personally interacted with the Tech Transfer office while within the system and after I left the system. My personal views on licensing have changed through the years multiple times - each time depending on the role of the license and ownership. These days I am a sole proprietor that needs to reuse models by others and I have to deal with the licensing bureaucracy. This is why I am making this discussion public so modelers are aware that their decisions now have implications later. It is not just a paper being published and not just code on GitHub - if one wants their work to be reused, it is important to think about future reuse. </div><div><br></div><div>I referenced your contributions to the white paper we are writing. You and all members of this sub group are welcome to add their own views of the topic in the white paper:</div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voUSrSpv3AZlC1T-BLa3W4wzHQ5vEdJCVrBbwMUTDiQ/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voUSrSpv3AZlC1T-BLa3W4wzHQ5vEdJCVrBbwMUTDiQ/edit?usp=sharing</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I ask all interested parties in this sub group to participate in writing this document. If you want to edit, please request permission and it will be granted. If you just want to add a paragraph, feel free to use this mailing list and we will do my best to collect it and add to the document. </div><div><br></div><div>Hopefully many of you will contribute. </div><div><br></div><div> Jacob</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:50 AM Robin Thompson <<a href="mailto:robin.thompson1988@gmail.com" target="_blank">robin.thompson1988@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Jacob,<div><br></div><div>I hope all’s well. I received the response below from the relevant person in Oxford University about whether or not results can be used by others for commercial purposes. Essentially, unless the research was funded by someone external who might have additional conditions, everything is left to the discretion of the department where the research was undertaken (in this case, the Mathematical Institute).</div><div><br></div><div>They also pointed me to this link: <a href="https://www.ox.ac.uk/students/academic/guidance/intellectual-property" style="color:purple;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">https://www.ox.ac.uk/students/academic/guidance/intellectual-property</a></div><div><br></div><div>I hope that helps!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, and best wishes,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><i>Does the university own the IP in the results? A couple of things to take into consideration here are if any third parties were involved in the research through funding it or collaborating on it.<br><br>If the University owns the IP in the results it will ultimately be a decision for the Department as to whether they are happy to grant free access or if they are interested in forming a more formal relationship (if that is a possibility). So I would suggest that you check with the administrator or equivalent as to Department opinion on this.</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i><br></i><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 24 Jan 2021, at 18:05, Robin Thompson <<a href="mailto:robin.thompson1988@gmail.com" target="_blank">robin.thompson1988@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div>Hi Jacob,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your email. I have asked the relevant person at Oxford University (the institution I was at when this research was undertaken), and I will let you know when I hear back from them.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, and best wishes,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 22 Jan 2021, at 20:37, Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Robin, and anyone else who wants to comment, <div><div><br></div><div>When integrating your model, you may recall I asked for permissions to use it and mentioned licensing issues.</div><div><br></div><div>One of your responses was that you have to check with your institution regarding commercial use while you yourself were ok with me reusing your model and had no restrictions.</div><div><br></div><div>I wish to explore the licensing issue in this mailing list to show what are approaches of different institutions and individuals to the problem.</div><div><br></div><div>Is it possible for you to check about the policy in your institution? The idea is to show some examples of how institutions approach the issue. For example, do they delegate the decision to researchers? Do they have a policy about who holds the copyright? How do they treat commercial entities?</div><div><br></div><div>I know in the US, a faculty member in most cases retains rights for their work, this does not always extend to staff and I am not sure about students. I also know that some academic institutions support tech transfer through patents and other endeavours. </div><div><br></div><div>I was trying to discuss licenses here:</div><div><a href="https://forum.comses.net/t/issues-with-regard-to-call-for-transparency-of-covid-19-models/8433" target="_blank">https://forum.comses.net/t/issues-with-regard-to-call-for-transparency-of-covid-19-models/8433</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Yet this discussion was not concluded. </div><div><br></div><div>One notable approach that Sheriff made me aware of is taken by BioModels:</div><div><a href="http://www.ebi.ac.uk/biomodels/faq" target="_blank">http://www.ebi.ac.uk/biomodels/faq</a><br></div><div>They avoid the licensing issues by making all models available under CC0</div><div><br></div><div>I am showing here some aspects of the issue and asking for you to check with your institution to explore all aspects of this issue so we can properly report those in the white paper.</div><div><br></div><div> Jacob</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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