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<p>No, no no. I don't want to delete the table either!!</p>
<p>There are now two copies of the table in the paper. I just meant
that we'll eventually delete the older out-of-order table. <br>
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<p>-jhg</p>
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<div dir="ltr">And John,
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<div>You mentioned deleting the table. I strongly object. Please
keep the table in the paper - it's ok to have sections,yet the
table is not a repetition, it is a necessary quick summary for
those readers who do not have time to read the entire paper.
In one table we summarize the issues and the potential
solutions, so please do keep it - you can rephrase the text
there, yet I think that it is important just like the image we
have.</div>
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<div>Hopefully you now see the importance. </div>
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<div> Jacob</div>
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AM Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks John,
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<div>Since you decided to work on the version you started
from integration, I repeat my request to secure the
document and only allow editing by permission from you.</div>
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<div>This means that people will have to use their accounts
to view the content of comments and make edits and you
will need to to approve each and every person in the list
to edit by sharing the document with them, yet it also
means that you will be able to trace back edits to source
- also it will prevent malicious acts - remember that all
the links to the document are public so anyone can
potentially edit without restriction and google docs does
not allow removal of a version. So I ask you to
secure this. Not that there is a high chance of anything
bad happening, yet I witnessed malicious changes in the
past and securing the document is relatively easy - only a
few clicks for you in the share options. </div>
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<div>Also, should people add themselves to the sections they
want? You missed some of the communications in the email
list - for example I wanted to be added in sections 2,.9,
10. I have some text that I want to be kept and I do want
to contribute new text following new developments to one
of the sections. I looked at what Eric did to section 10
and it seems the content I am interested in being kept is
still there, so I have no issues there I see now, yet this
section was reduced in size and I have not traced back to
original contributions, so I am not sure about what else
was eliminated and still want to keep an eye on it in the
future - this is why it is important that people declare
the sections they have interest in - to help you trace
back their contributions and those were not necessarily
made in a way that is easily detected by the original
author - there was a lot of moving around of text from
original contribution. </div>
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<div>You mentioned section 3.8 - You merged 3 sub sections
into this new section when you changed the order. Those
were written by many people - it is hard to trace back all
contributions, yet this section has many important ideas.
I can recognize contributions by
John Rice, Jonathan Karr, and myself at the first part
before subsections yet I am not sure about text under the
"Evaluating Model Credibility" and "Model Validation
Barriers" subtitles. If I recall correctly, and I may be
mistaken, a lot of the text under "Evaluating Model
Credibility" is from Jonathan Karr with some text from
James Glazier. Yet I am pretty sure there were several
other contributors and to my regret I am not sure who they
were without going through revisions of the original
versions. Perhaps since we did not suggest a solution to
"Model Validation Barriers" this section should be
moved to an open questions section or an appendix at the
end - yet I really do not recall who originally wrote the
text there so I cannot verify with that person what they
prefer. Note that those contributions can be traced back
in time to see who added what text - yet this process is
time consuming - I did this once when I assembled the
combined version and it was a time sink. I understand your
desire to compress the section, yet I also know it will be
difficult to be honest to all contributors unless they
identify themselves - one possible way is that
contributors identify themselves through references they
recognize adding.
Please let me know what you think should be done in that
section the way you assembled it - I am reluctant to make
edits unless contributors help trace back their
contributions. Yet it is important do keep the first part
of this section intact as much as possible - it has
important concepts. I personally am interested keeping the
paragraph about ensemble models - I think this is an
important glimpse to the future.</div>
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<div>So John, do you want us to write our own names at the
top of each section we have interest in, or do you intend
to trace back contributions and manage those?</div>
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<div>Yet please do secure the document. I know it seems
harmless, yet I will personally feel much easier if you
do.</div>
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<div> Jacob</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 24, 2021 at
1:14 AM John Gennari <<a href="mailto:gennari@uw.edu"
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All:<br>
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We've all now had a week to work on (or at least think
about) the paper <br>
and the emails that have been sent around. As I listed on
Monday, we're <br>
suggesting a re-ordering of the 12 (or 13?) challenges,
and for each <br>
challenge, we are trying to assign a point person. That
person doesn't <br>
need to be solely responsible for the content in the
subsection (other <br>
authors can certainly chime in), but the point person(s)
can act as a <br>
gatekeeper for consistency, length considerations,
inclusion of ideas, etc.<br>
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The challenge (as usual) is to actually get some writing
done. (Of <br>
course, I'm just as guilty as others, having done not much
of this either.)<br>
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Over the last week, I saw some nice contributions by
Alexander Kulesza <br>
(thank you!), so I've added his name to the author list.
Otherwise, all <br>
I saw was some editing and some additions by Hana D and a
few thoughts <br>
by James G.<br>
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I also wanted to highlight that we have one section (the
12th <br>
challenge, on model applications and real-world use)
without a point <br>
person.<br>
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I did go ahead and re-order the sections in the order
listed in my email <br>
of May 17. This means that I also re-ordered (and
numbered) the rows in <br>
Table 1. Because there were comments attached to some of
these table <br>
rows, I also left the old table in the document.
Obviously, we'll delete <br>
this table once folk are satisfied that their ideas have
been <br>
incorporated or at least discussed by the group.<br>
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Similarly, there are now two copies of the 12 sections --
once in the <br>
new order and with numbers, and then again in the old
order.<br>
<br>
In the new ordering, I've listed the point person (or
persons) at the <br>
beginning, and I also have a few notes about the sections.
Since there <br>
are a couple of sections that I am the point person for,
these will be <br>
my "homework". I did want to highlight that section 3.8
(on model <br>
validity and credibility) needs to be significantly
reduced. One way to <br>
do this might be to move some of this content earlier,
into the <br>
introduction, or perhaps into "reproducibility crisis"
section.<br>
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Hoping this email inspires some folk to do some writing.
I'll keep <br>
plugging away at "my" sections. The document is in the
same location: <br>
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VvyP3YZQdQYjj8DFKOpQ4pn_0pdDGgiT/edit?ts=60a294c2</a><br>
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-John G.<br>
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