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<p>Hi Jacob,</p>
<p>I think the point the group is making is that there was feedback
on the manuscript from the previous journal, which required
substantially revising the manuscript; that's what the group has
been trying to do (though the effort has slowed down a bit).</p>
<p>The previous journal editor raised some valid concerns about the
manuscript state, and many members of the group agreed that a
revision is indeed needed before moving to the next venue.
Submitting the same version of the manuscript to another journal
will, I'm afraid, result in the same outcome of rejection. If the
rejection in the suggested journal is hard (i.e., no invitation to
resubmit a revised version), then we lose a venue for possible
publication of the manuscript.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>T.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/21 2:13 PM, Jacob Barhak wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Well James,
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<div dir="auto">Its a bit more complicated that what you
describe its not just editing work. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Any version we submit must be approved for
submission by all those listed. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">We have not reached this point for any other
version other than the one we submitted before. So there is
much more work than just references and polishing. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">The only version we can legally submit is this
one: </div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!XQgHtF8amUyDkO2BuwhFFjU3o8r5NAnbMvGk-yuQH46H9g16qJU5-M0UBMdg_AMv$" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">We actually have 5 other versions and may
eventually get more versions after review and we can mention
this. Yet to move the process forward we need to get feedback
from the publishing venue.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Marcella pointed out a new venue and so far
there was only support, so I hope she can continue the
process and ask for feedback on the version we agreed upon to
submit before. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The sooner the better. <br>
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<div dir="auto"> Jacob</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 02:22
James Osborne <<a href="mailto:jmosborne@unimelb.edu.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">jmosborne@unimelb.edu.au</a>>
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<div>Just to clarify the versions were talking about... <br>
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<div>Here is the original submitted version that was
rejected by the editor without review.</div>
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<div>Here's the version we've been working on <br>
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<div><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VvyP3YZQdQYjj8DFKOpQ4pn_0pdDGgiT/edit?amp*3Bpli=1__;JQ!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!XQgHtF8amUyDkO2BuwhFFjU3o8r5NAnbMvGk-yuQH46H9g16qJU5-M0UBMkV18u-$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VvyP3YZQdQYjj8DFKOpQ4pn_0pdDGgiT/edit?amp%3Bpli=1</a><br>
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<div>Even in this state, I think it stands a better chance
than the previously submitted one as if you remove all
the comments and highlighting it's a cleaner story. This
was a big issue with the original version and I don't
think it's appropriate to resubmit anywhere without
looking at this. </div>
<div>The issue is that it will take a concerted effort to
polish this updated version. Even sorting the references
is non trivial. </div>
<div>I think the only way of this happening is for a
"First Author" to step forward and take the lead. They
push work on the changes and chase people as needed but
in return they get first/senior/corresponding authorship
as appropriate. </div>
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<div>James </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at
2:33 PM Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
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<div dir="auto">Thanks James,
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">This will for sure not be the final
version of the paper. We will have revisions and
already had discussions. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The attempt here is to get the ball
rolling and to we need to start somewhere, so the
proper entry point is the last agreement. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">If the editor will be positive, I
believe we can reach a nice revised version that
everyone will be gappy with with augmented list of
authors. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">For now I just wanted to verify that
Marcella is willing to do the initial
communications with the editor.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hopefully its ok with her. </div>
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<div dir="auto"> Jacob</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 16,
2021, 11:04 James A Glazier <<a href="mailto:jaglazier@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jaglazier@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Dear Jacob:</p>
<p>I see a lot of progress but the text is still
fragmentary. I think you will have a hard time
having it reviewed before you clean it up some
more.
<br>
</p>
<p>Frontiers is a reasonable place for it, and
it does give you the opportunity to do
multiple rounds of review.</p>
<p>JAG<br>
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<div>On 8/16/2021 11:59 AM, Jacob Barhak wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Marcella,
<div><br>
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<div>So far there were no objections and
support in your suggested venue was
provided by 9 out of the 17 original
authors + support by many that joined
later.</div>
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<div>I have seen no objection to the venue
by anyone. - meaning that we can probably
move on to the new venue and start the
process.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suggest you move on and contact the
editor and follow the proper process for
the venue and ask for feedback. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please indicate that we are seeking
review to guide further revisions that we
have already begun, yet not completed, so
there may be changes in title, authors,
and text, yet the core paper has been
approved by 17 authors and major
arguments will most probably stay. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>The version we can currently
legally submit is this one that we
approved:</div>
<div><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!XQgHtF8amUyDkO2BuwhFFjU3o8r5NAnbMvGk-yuQH46H9g16qJU5-M0UBMdg_AMv$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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<div>I locked that version for changes until
the review process is complete. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>For the many who wanted revisions - we
will have them still - yet since we have
not reached agreement on a revised
version, it will have to wait until after
review. is provided and we can incorporate
reviewers comments in the revisions. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Marcella, please let us know if you
will handle submission and communications
with the publication venue. - Frontiers in
Systems Biology</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding submission, I suggest
starting with doing things that do not
take effort - like communicating with the
editor about this paper and declaring
intention to see the response we get. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While we wait for responses, we can
continue discussion and give a last chance
for objections to Frontiers in Systems
Biology to arrive from the original 17
contributors. If any objection to the
venue appears before we get a response, we
will have to stop the process. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Hopefully the large support in the new
venue will persist.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suggest we start a new email thread
regarding submission and that we all get
updated on the process to keep things
transparent. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Jacob</div>
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Aug 11, 2021 at 1:08 AM Gilberto
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all,
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<div>I think the new version is better,
even though it is not ready. The main
points are there, which include the
importance of reproducibility and
integration in modeling biology
systems.</div>
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</div>
<div>Probably, one or two co-authors
need to take the lead to polish the
article and references. I suggest
that these authors take some of the
top positions in the list of authors
(in some places author position is
taken into account). </div>
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<div>Venue seems fine.</div>
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Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 1:24 PM Rahuman
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<div>I also agree with the venue and
the suggestion to tidy up the
manuscript with a strict deadline.
<div>Sheriff</div>
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<div>On 10 Aug 2021, at 10:43,
James Osborne <<a href="mailto:jmosborne@unimelb.edu.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
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fine with Frontiers.
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<div>My 2 cents is that
the revised version
would be more likely to
get published. I think
we should find time to
tidy up what we need. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>James</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at
5:11 PM Tomas Helikar
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<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>I'm also fine with
this journal. But we
need to finalize the
revised version --
lots of work was
done on it already.</p>
<p>Perhaps we can
recirculate the last
version of the
google doc version
of it and set a
deadline for
finishing it? I
don't believe it
would take more than
a couple of weeks to
finalize.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>T.<br>
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at least a quick
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<div>On 8/9/2021
7:49 AM, Jonathan
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
everyone,
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<div>I think
Frontiers is
fine. I think
the key thing
is to edit the
paper (for
focus and
readability by
a
broader audience)
before it is
submitted to
any journal.</div>
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Mon, Aug 9,
2021 at 10:31
AM Jacob
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<div dir="auto">Well
Marcella,
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">If
there is no
objection
raised or an
alternative
resolution
with more
support
appears, then
I see no
reason not to
proceed. So I
think we just
need to give
enough time
for original
contributors
to raise an
objection or
propose an
alternatives
that will gain
more support.
In the past we
used a week
for such
processes, I
guess that if
we wait until
next weekend
and no
objection is
raised to the
venue or an
alternative
with more
support
appears we can
proceed. We
currently have
5 original
contributors
supporting
your suggested
venue and one
contributor
than joined
later in the
revisions.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Note
that in
submission you
should use the
original
version we
reached
consensus for
submission,
yet note that
that we plan
to revise the
work and add
more
contributors.
You can point
to revisions
we started. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Lets
wait until
next week and
hope no one
objects so we
can proceed
quickly. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">
Jacob</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 08:52 Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Once
enough
contributors
agree, the
process for
submission is
that I’ll
confirm
interest (I
just got an
email
requesting for
this this
morning), let
them know that
we intend to
submit 1
manuscript and
what the
proposed title
of the
manuscript is.
Once that
initial
information is
submitted,
then I will be
“emailed
information
about next
steps”. Of
course, at any
point we can
also contact
the editorial
office, but
would it be
helpful to get
a sense of the
process first
and then ask
for
clarification
as needed? At
what point
will we have
enough
responses from
contributors
to begin?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Marcella</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">Vp-reproduce-subgroup <<a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces@lists.simtk.org</a>>
on behalf of
John Rice <<a href="mailto:john.rice@noboxes.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">john.rice@noboxes.org</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span> </span></b>Sunday,
August 8, 2021
at 7:23 PM<br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>Yaling
Liu <<a href="mailto:yal310@lehigh.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">yal310@lehigh.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span> </span></b><a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a>>,<span> </span><a href="mailto:vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a>>,
Jonathan Karr
<<a href="mailto:jonrkarr@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jonrkarr@gmail.com</a>>,
John Gennari
<<a href="mailto:gennari@uw.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gennari@uw.edu</a>>,
Faeder, James
R <<a href="mailto:faeder@pitt.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">faeder@pitt.edu</a>>,
Winston Garira
<<a href="mailto:Winston.Garira@univen.ac.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Winston.Garira@univen.ac.za</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re:
[Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Me too</p>
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with two
thumbs on my
iPhone. (757)
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uncombined.</p>
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leech us of
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On Aug 8,
2021, at
19:09, Yaling
Liu <<a href="mailto:yal310@lehigh.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">yal310@lehigh.edu</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
am fine with
the suggested
new venue and
willing to
revise
further. We
don't need to
wait for
everyone to
reply here -
this email
chain is way
too long and
guess a lot of
people were
busy and
ignored them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yaling</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Sun, Aug 8,
2021 at 4:57
PM Jacob
Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks
Hana, <span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
revised
version is far
from ready to
being
submitted
anywhere.
There is just
too much to do
there to put
it in shape
for
submission. </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We
do want to
advance in
making
revisions,
yet the
attempt here
is to
accelerate the
process by
asking a 3rd
publishing
party to
provide proper
review for
what is
actually
needed for
publication,
so you may
want to save
your efforts
until after we
get feedback -
they will be
more effective
then when we
have
feedback. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However,
we do need
enough support
and no
objections to
proceed to
engage with
the new venue
suggested. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We
have currently
3 of the 17 of
the original
contributors
and 1 who
joined later
that approves
of a new
venue.
Hopefully
others will
follow so we
can proceed
quickly. </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank
you for the
reply. </p>
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<span> </span>Jacob</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Sat, Aug 7,
2021, 23:46
Dobrovolny,
Hana <<a href="mailto:h.dobrovolny@tcu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">h.dobrovolny@tcu.edu</a>>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I'm
fine with the
suggested
venue. I'll
double check
the sections I
was heading
sometime this
week, but I
think all
suggestions
were
incorporated
last time I
checked.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Hana</span></p>
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Dr. Hana
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Associate
Professor of
Biophysics<br>
Texas
Christian
University<br>
TCU Box 298840<br>
Fort Worth, TX
76129<br>
<br>
phone: (817)
257-6379 fax:
(817) 257-7742<br>
email:<span> </span></span><a href="mailto:h.dobrovolny@tcu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span><span> </span>Vp-reproduce-subgroup
<</span><a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces@lists.simtk.org</a><span>>
on behalf of
Jacob Barhak
<</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a><span>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>August
7, 2021 11:18
AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Torres,
Marcella<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span></span><a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a><span>;<span> </span></span><a href="mailto:vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a><span>;
Jonathan Karr;
John Gennari;
Winston
Garira;
Faeder, James
R<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
[Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision</span><span style="font-size:12pt"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">And to all white
paper
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hopefully enough of
you will look
at this during
the weekend to
comment on the
best way to
move forward
while
considering
the new offer
from
Marcella. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The faster we move,
the better. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> <span> </span>Jacob</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 01:03 Jacob Barhak <</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:12pt">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks Marcella, <span> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Your suggestion may be the solution here. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">From what I see, this venue is a good fit. Yet
we need to
learn the
opinion of the
other
contributors. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">If we collect enough support and no contributor
objects, we
can approach
the editor and
ask if the
paper will
receive proper
review to
guide
revisions. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I look forward for more responses. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"> <span> </span>Jacob</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 11:57 Torres, Marcella <</span><a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:12pt">mtorres@richmond.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I’m interested in getting it circulated, and want
to propose
Frontiers in
Systems
Biology as a
possible venue
– I just
joined the
editorial
board and
received
notice of a
focused issue
that includes
challenges in
multiscale
modeling:<span> </span></span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE*__;Iw!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFepwnGQ8$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:12pt">https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE#</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">The journal is new, and I don’t remember it being
proposed
previously.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I am also willing to prioritize revision and
submission and
apologize for
not
participating
more over the
summer.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Marcella</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">Vp-reproduce-subgroup <</span><a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces@lists.simtk.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:12pt">vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces@lists.simtk.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">> on behalf of Jacob Barhak <</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:12pt">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">><br>
<b>Date:<span> </span></b>Monday,
August 2, 2021
at 11:45 AM<br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>Alexander
Kulesza <</span><a href="mailto:alexander.kulesza@novadiscovery.com" rel="noreferrer
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John Gennari
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Winston Garira
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<b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re:
[Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision</span></s></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi Alex,<span> </span></span></p>
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public
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">However, I was hoping for a discussion rather
than a poll.
We already
made a vote
and the
direction it
took us all
ended up badly
so far - there
is no activity
for a few
months now.
Perhaps a
discussion is
in order
before
making more
decisions. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">And Alex, time is something you manage to achieve
certain goals
with certain
priorities. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">The real question is if circulating this paper is
on a high
priority list
for any of the
contributors?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Some contributors publicly declared they have
little time,
yet we were
still able to
push though in
the past. What
has changed?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Perhaps a discussion will reveal those things.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 2:00 AM Alexander Kulesza
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I hope that I speak for many others from this
group wishing
that the ideas
presented in
that paper do
get
circulated;
optimally in
form of a
reviewed
paper. </span></p>
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us (including
myself) to
spend the time
needed to edit
the sections. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have created the following poll </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/doodle.com/poll/ydpgvgi594ubi82d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFaV6WX1c$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:12pt">https://doodle.com/poll/ydpgvgi594ubi82d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>which intends to get agreement or
disgreement of
the group for
the different
optuions that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 16:54, Jacob Barhak <</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Two of the contributors approach me about this
message
privately.
However, there
were many more
who
participated
and no one
responded
publicly in 2
weeks. </span></p>
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deserves a
public
discussion.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 4:46 PM Jacob Barhak <</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
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your email -
in fact the
paper writing
stopped - I
waited
sufficient
time to make
sure this is
the case to
prove a point.
If there is no
one to tend to
the editing,
then there
will not be
any progress
and the paper
will lose
focus -
partially because people
will pull it
in many
directions and
resolution
will take time
no one is
willing to
provide to
move it
forward. And
this is what
happened here.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I remind you that I wrote what needs to be done
to make
progress. See
the 4 points
in this
archived
email:</span></p>
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failed to
fulfil those
points in
reasonable
time, and the
revised
version is in
a worse
condition
towards
publication
than the
version we all
agreed to
submit
before. </span></p>
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findings we
had before as
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