<div dir="auto">Hello all. <div dir="auto">I might find funding for a part of the publication costs as well when splitted.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best</div><div dir="auto">Alex</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>> schrieb am Di., 12. Okt. 2021, 06:54:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Marcella,<div><br></div><div>Below you will find my business mail address. It recently changed. .</div><div><br></div><div>I assume payment is due upon publication and not upon review. If the paper gets published fast, I will be happy to pay the entire $1900 fee myself to accelerate the process - or we can discuss splitting it within the group upon acceptance - this can be discussed later especially if someone has funds secured for such publications. For now list me as the payer so we can proceed. </div><div><br></div><div>To be fully transparent I am adding the rest of the group to this correspondence since all contributors should be aware.</div><div><br></div><div>I look forward to the continuation of the process. </div><div><br></div><div> Jacob</div><div><br></div><div>--<br>Jacob Barhak Ph.D. <br>Sole Proprietor, Software Developer, and Computational Disease Modeler<br><br>Jacob Barhak Analytics<br>701 Brazos St<br>Suite 548<br>Austin TX, 78701<br><br>Email: <a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a><br><br><a href="https://sites.google.com/view/jacob-barhak/home" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://sites.google.com/view/jacob-barhak/home</a><br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:05 PM Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I appreciate the offer - currently I can't see an easy way to transition submissions, but I have listed you as corresponding author. </div>
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The only thing that remains is that I need your full address to select you as payee, in the event the article is accepted. Once I complete that step, the paper will be submitted.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 11, 2021 12:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>><br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Marcella,
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<div dir="auto">I can handle fees and paperwork if this accelerates the process. </div>
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<div dir="auto">You can certainly list me as corresponding author, or if you prefer, you can delegate the submission task to me if you think it is better. </div>
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<div dir="auto">If you want me to act, just let me know your preference quickly so the paper gets submitted quickly. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 10:31 Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12pt">Sorry for the delay. I was waiting for a response from Frontiers, but it turns out that once I log into my account, I can continue the submission process. </div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12pt">I am assuming you, Jacob, are willing to be a corresponding author? I can list myself as well, but I'm expecting to give birth sometime in the next 2-3 weeks so may be unavailable for a short period. </div>
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<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12pt">As I'm filling out the author information, I will need title, city, and state information for those without an institutional affiliation: I think this includes Jacob and John Rice.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 08:50 Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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At this point, I have submitted only the <i>title</i> of the proposed manuscript (that can be legally submitted) - that is all that is required - and am waiting to hear back about next steps. I will keep the group updated. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:13 AM<br>
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<div dir="auto">Its a bit more complicated that what you describe its not just editing work. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Any version we submit must be approved for submission by all those listed. </div>
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<div dir="auto">We have not reached this point for any other version other than the one we submitted before. So there is much more work than just references and polishing. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The only version we can legally submit is this one: </div>
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<div dir="auto">We actually have 5 other versions and may eventually get more versions after review and we can mention this. Yet to move the process forward we need to get feedback from the publishing venue.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Marcella pointed out a new venue and so far there was only support, so I hope she can continue the process and ask for feedback on the version we agreed upon to submit before. </div>
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<div>Even in this state, I think it stands a better chance than the previously submitted one as if you remove all the comments and highlighting it's a cleaner story. This was a big issue with the original version and I don't think it's appropriate to resubmit
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<div>The issue is that it will take a concerted effort to polish this updated version. Even sorting the references is non trivial. </div>
<div>I think the only way of this happening is for a "First Author" to step forward and take the lead. They push work on the changes and chase people as needed but in return they get first/senior/corresponding authorship as appropriate. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The attempt here is to get the ball rolling and to we need to start somewhere, so the proper entry point is the last agreement. </div>
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<div dir="auto">If the editor will be positive, I believe we can reach a nice revised version that everyone will be gappy with with augmented list of authors. </div>
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<div dir="auto">For now I just wanted to verify that Marcella is willing to do the initial communications with the editor.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hopefully its ok with her. </div>
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<p>Frontiers is a reasonable place for it, and it does give you the opportunity to do multiple rounds of review.</p>
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<div>So far there were no objections and support in your suggested venue was provided by 9 out of the 17 original authors + support by many that joined later.</div>
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<div>I have seen no objection to the venue by anyone. - meaning that we can probably move on to the new venue and start the process.</div>
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<div>Please indicate that we are seeking review to guide further revisions that we have already begun, yet not completed, so there may be changes in title, authors, and text, yet the core paper has been approved by 17 authors and major arguments will most probably
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<div>The version we can currently legally submit is this one that we approved:</div>
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<div>I locked that version for changes until the review process is complete. </div>
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<div>For the many who wanted revisions - we will have them still - yet since we have not reached agreement on a revised version, it will have to wait until after review. is provided and we can incorporate reviewers comments in the revisions. </div>
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<div>Marcella, please let us know if you will handle submission and communications with the publication venue. - Frontiers in Systems Biology</div>
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<div>I suggest we start a new email thread regarding submission and that we all get updated on the process to keep things transparent. </div>
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<p>I'm also fine with this journal. But we need to finalize the revised version -- lots of work was done on it already.</p>
<p>Perhaps we can recirculate the last version of the google doc version of it and set a deadline for finishing it? I don't believe it would take more than a couple of weeks to finalize.</p>
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<p>I agree with Jon Karr. The venue is fine, but we need at least a quick review for readability before submission.</p>
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that will gain more support. In the past we used a week for such processes, I guess that if we wait until next weekend and no objection is raised to the venue or an alternative with more support appears we can proceed. We currently have 5 original contributors
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<div dir="auto">Lets wait until next week and hope no one objects so we can proceed quickly. </div>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I'm fine with the suggested venue. I'll double check the sections I was heading sometime this week, but I think all suggestions were incorporated last time I checked.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>August 7, 2021 11:18 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision</span><span style="font-size:12pt"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hopefully enough of you will look at this during the weekend to comment on the best way to move forward while considering the new offer from Marcella. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 01:03 Jacob Barhak <</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks Marcella, <span> </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">From what I see, this venue is a good fit. Yet we need to learn the opinion of the other contributors. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">If we collect enough support and no contributor objects, we can approach the editor and ask if the paper will receive proper review to guide revisions. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I look forward for more responses. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I’m interested in getting it circulated, and want to propose Frontiers in Systems Biology as a possible venue – I just joined the editorial board and received notice of a focused issue that includes challenges in multiscale modeling:<span> </span></span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE*__;Iw!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFepwnGQ8$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE#</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">The journal is new, and I don’t remember it being proposed previously.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I am also willing to prioritize revision and submission and apologize for not participating more over the summer.</span></p>
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<b>Date:<span> </span></b>Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:45 AM<br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>Alexander Kulesza <</span><a href="mailto:alexander.kulesza@novadiscovery.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">alexander.kulesza@novadiscovery.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">However, I was hoping for a discussion rather than a poll. We already made a vote and the direction it took us all ended up badly so far - there is no activity for a few months now. Perhaps a discussion is in order before making more
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">And Alex, time is something you manage to achieve certain goals with certain priorities. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">The real question is if circulating this paper is on a high priority list for any of the contributors?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Some contributors publicly declared they have little time, yet we were still able to push though in the past. What has changed?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I hope that I speak for many others from this group wishing that the ideas presented in that paper do get circulated; optimally in form of a reviewed paper. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">As you can see, there was no response to your email - in fact the paper writing stopped - I waited sufficient time to make sure this is the case to prove a point. If there is no one to tend to the editing, then there will not
be any progress and the paper will lose focus - partially because people will pull it in many directions and resolution will take time no one is willing to provide to move it forward. And this is what happened here.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I remind you that I wrote what needs to be done to make progress. See the 4 points in this archived email:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">By now it's fairly safe to declare that the group failed to fulfil those points in reasonable time, and the revised version is in a worse condition towards publication than the version we all agreed to submit before. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Is there more benefit from submitting the findings we had before as they were to a 3rd party forh</span></p>
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