<div dir="ltr">Thanks James, And thanks to all contributors,<div><br></div><div>The paper was submitted on Thanksgiving evening and confirmation was received.</div><div><br></div><div>Hopefully it will be processed quickly.</div><div><br></div><div>          Jacob</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:22 PM James A Glazier <<a href="mailto:jaglazier@gmail.com">jaglazier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Dear Jacob:</p>
    <p>Thank you for all your hard work and patience on this paper. I
      know you have made a lot of effort to integrate so many differing
      ideas and voices.</p>
    <p>JAG<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 11/24/2021 9:14 AM, Jacob Barhak
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div dir="ltr">Thanks James,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Unless there are any last minute objections, I will submit
          the paper this holiday weekend.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I will update you all on progress.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Hopefully it will be smooth.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Happy thanksgiving.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>           Jacob</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 8:09
          AM Faeder, James R <<a href="mailto:faeder@pitt.edu" target="_blank">faeder@pitt.edu</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div lang="EN-US">
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">APPROVE. I apologize for the delay.
                These messages were being routed to a folder that I do
                not check frequently. I finally found out from a
                voicemail message. Thanks everyone for the efforts you
                have put into this work and especially Jacob for all of
                the work organizing on top of it. Good luck with the
                submission and Happy Thanksgiving!</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Jim</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
                    </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jacob
                    Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 6:47
                    AM<br>
                    <b>To: </b>John Rice <<a href="mailto:john.rice@noboxes.org" target="_blank">john.rice@noboxes.org</a>>,
                    Jonathan Karr <<a href="mailto:jonrkarr@gmail.com" target="_blank">jonrkarr@gmail.com</a>>,
                    William Waites <<a href="mailto:wwaites@ieee.org" target="_blank">wwaites@ieee.org</a>>,
                    Tingting Tang <<a href="mailto:ttang2@sdsu.edu" target="_blank">ttang2@sdsu.edu</a>>,
                    <a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" target="_blank">vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a>
                    <<a href="mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" target="_blank">vp-reproduce-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a>>,
                    James A Glazier <<a href="mailto:jaglazier@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaglazier@gmail.com</a>>,
                    <a href="mailto:vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" target="_blank">vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a>
                    <<a href="mailto:vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org" target="_blank">vp-integration-subgroup@lists.simtk.org</a>>,
                    John Gennari <<a href="mailto:gennari@uw.edu" target="_blank">gennari@uw.edu</a>>,
                    Winston Garira <<a href="mailto:Winston.Garira@univen.ac.za" target="_blank">Winston.Garira@univen.ac.za</a>>,
                    Faeder, James R <<a href="mailto:faeder@pitt.edu" target="_blank">faeder@pitt.edu</a>>,
                    Thompson, Robin <<a href="mailto:Robin.N.Thompson@warwick.ac.uk" target="_blank">Robin.N.Thompson@warwick.ac.uk</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Vp-integration-subgroup]
                    [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] Shayn Peirce-Cottler via
                    Frontiers: Manuscript</span></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Greetings James Faeder,</p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">You are the last one that needs
                    to Approve. DISAPPROVE , or ABSTAIN from submission
                    of the paper. </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I apologize if you already sent a
                    response yet I have not located any response from
                    you- it may be my error, yet I need your public
                    response before I can continue to submit the paper.</p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">17 of us already
                    approved submission and you are the last one on my
                    list.</p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I tried to contact your
                    department in the last few days and left voice
                    messages to your administrators since I could not
                    locate your direct phone. </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I will really appreciate it if
                    someone can contact you and make sure you get this
                    message.</p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I really hope we get an answer so
                    I can process the paper by thanksgiving weekend.</p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">                  Jacob</p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:22 AM
                    Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks John, Hi James Faedar, </p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">John, with your approval
                        below we only need James Faedar to respond so I
                        can proceed. </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Can someone contact him
                        to make sure he saw this correspondence? He
                        should receive these messages, yet if someone is
                        in contact with him regularly, please ask him to
                        respond so we can move on.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">One last thing before
                        submission. If there is anyone who thinks this
                        paper should not be published, I would ask them
                        to write to this mailing list publicly - if
                        there is any error or omission that anyone
                        thinks is important, we want to know about it
                        before submitting the article. This request is
                        public and not targeted at the authors - if
                        there is something we missed, we want to know it
                        before submission.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hopefully James Feedar will
                        respond quickly and there will be no public
                        objection and we can get this paper published
                        quickly.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">              Jacob</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:34
                        PM John Rice <<a href="mailto:john.rice@noboxes.org" target="_blank">john.rice@noboxes.org</a>>
                        wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I
                          approve submission.</p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Typed with two thumbs on
                            my iPhone.  (757) 318-0671</p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">“Upon this gifted
                                age, in its dark hour,</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Rains from the sky a
                                meteoric shower</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Of facts . . . they
                                lie unquestioned, uncombined.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Wisdom enough to
                                leech us of our ill</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Is daily spun; but
                                there exists no loom</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">To weave it into
                                fabric.”</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">–Edna St. Vincent
                                Millay,</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
                            On Nov 17, 2021, at 22:04, Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi James Faedar, Hi
                              John Rice,</p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Please check the
                                manuscript and declare by REPLY ALL if
                                you APPROVE, DISAPPROVE or ABSTAIN.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">James, if you
                                responded and I did not get the email, I
                                apologize - there are some
                                communication hiccups occasionally. Yet
                                I need your public approval to proceed
                                and use your name.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">John, I know you
                                allowed us to send the paper, yet you
                                need to be specific and declare if you
                                want to be included as an Author or just
                                moved to acknowledgements. You did have
                                a major contribution, so I hope you will
                                APPROVE. </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Once I have your
                                answer I can proceed. Hopefully you will
                                both APPROVE quickly.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">               Jacob</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021
                                at 3:02 PM sheriff <<a href="mailto:sheriff@ebi.ac.uk" target="_blank">sheriff@ebi.ac.uk</a>>
                                wrote:</p>
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                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Hi
                                    Jacob and all,</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
                                    approve the submission of the
                                    manuscript. </span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Please
                                    update the citation Tiwari et 2020
                                    Preprint to </span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Tiwari
                                    K, Kananathan S, Roberts MG, Meyer
                                    JP, Sharif Shohan MU, Xavier A,
                                    Maire M, Zyoud A, Men J, Ng S,
                                    Nguyen TVN, Glont M, Hermjakob H,
                                    Malik-Sheriff RS. Reproducibility in
                                    systems biology modelling. Mol Syst
                                    Biol. 2021 Feb;17(2):e9982. doi:
                                    10.15252/msb.20209982. PMID:
                                    33620773; PMCID: PMC7901289.</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Also
                                    my name and affiliation below</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Rahuman
                                    S. <u>
                                      Malik Sheriff</u></span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">European
                                    Molecular Biology Laboratory,
                                    European Bioinformatics Institute
                                    (EMBL-EBI), Wellcome Genome Campus,
                                    Hinxton, Cambridge, UK</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thanks
                                    for pushing this work forward</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Best
                                    regards</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Sheriff</span></p>
                                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                <p id="gmail-m_5903472748620074431gmail-m_-816442842227439560gmail-m_-1664506982640354478gmail-m_2983802147113687999gmail-m_3056082822452168104gmail-m_5776642796092585345reply-intro"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">On 2021-11-17
                                    18:58, Jonathan Karr wrote:</span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Hi
                                          Jacob,
                                        </span></p>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thank
                                            you again for spearheading
                                            this effort.</span></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
                                              approve the submission. I
                                              think the paper organizes
                                              a variety of important
                                              issues toward more
                                              credible models, and the
                                              content is sound.</span></p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">My
                                                affiliation is
                                                Department of Genetics
                                                and Genomic Sciences,
                                                Icahn School of Medicine
                                                at Mount Sinai, New
                                                York, NY, USA.</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">As
                                                others have mentioned, I
                                                think the paper would be
                                                more impactful with
                                                further editing to make
                                                the paper easier to
                                                read:</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <ul type="disc">
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">More
                                                  clearly articulate the
                                                  goals/motivation for
                                                  more credible models</span></li>
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Be
                                                  more concise and
                                                  focused</span></li>
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Remove
                                                  redundancies by
                                                  grouping related text</span></li>
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Fill
                                                  in the gaps in logic
                                                  in the introduction
                                                  with more transitions,
                                                  less extraneous
                                                  information, and/or a
                                                  brief outline.</span></li>
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Change
                                                  the title of the
                                                  "Utility of models"
                                                  section to something
                                                  like "Challenges with
                                                  using multiscale
                                                  models" (James'
                                                  suggestion)</span></li>
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Order
                                                  the "Utility of
                                                  models" subsections to
                                                  be easier to follow,
                                                  perhaps from model
                                                  construction through
                                                  to reuse</span></li>
                                              <li class="MsoNormal">
                                                <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Rephrase
                                                  the titles of the 
                                                  "Utility of models"
                                                  subsections to focus
                                                  on opportunities for
                                                  improvement rather
                                                  than current problems</span></li>
                                            </ul>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Regards,</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Jonathan</span></p>
                                          </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">On
                                            Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:25
                                            PM Jacob Barhak <<a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</a>>
                                            wrote:</span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thanks
                                              to all contributors who
                                              answered,
                                            </span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Most
                                                contributors approved by
                                                now.</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">James
                                                and Wiliam, I am not
                                                sure how many more
                                                revisions there will be
                                                for this publication. I
                                                did not add several
                                                important references of
                                                my own in this revision.
                                                Frankly I wanted to keep
                                                reference changes to a
                                                minimum and kept it
                                                as close as possible to
                                                the origin . However, we
                                                are transferring the
                                                paper to the publisher
                                                under CC license, so it
                                                will not be hard to
                                                create another derived
                                                version with all sorts
                                                of additions and
                                                modifications in the
                                                future where people can
                                                edit it as they see fit
                                                and add whatever
                                                references they want -
                                                so after it gets
                                                published you can
                                                continue working on
                                                other versions as you
                                                see fit. For now I ask
                                                we focus on publishing
                                                this version alone and I
                                                really hope the editors
                                                will not put us through
                                                another revision round
                                                since it makes no sense
                                                at this point - any
                                                change is
                                                not substantial compared
                                                to what we have already
                                                and any delay is more
                                                damaging than
                                                productive.</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">To
                                                be productive I ask that
                                                the following people who
                                                did not answer so far
                                                take the time to
                                                APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, or
                                                ABSTAIN.:</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Robin
                                                Thompson</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">James
                                                R. Faeder</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Jonathan
                                                Karr<br>
                                                Rahuman Sheriff</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">John
                                                Rice</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
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                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">John Rice - thanks
                                                  for your support, yet
                                                  you will have to be
                                                  specific: You can
                                                  either choose APPROVE
                                                  or ABSTAIN - both of
                                                  these options will
                                                  move the paper
                                                  forwards. APPROVE will
                                                  add your name to the
                                                  list of authors with
                                                  all responsibilities
                                                  and privileges listed
                                                  or implied , ABSTAIN
                                                  will put you in
                                                  acknowledgements
                                                  without any
                                                  obligation. So John,
                                                  please choose if you
                                                  want your name on the
                                                  paper or not in this
                                                  specific version - any
                                                  decision you make will
                                                  be ok. </span></p>
                                            </div>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I hope we can
                                                  father all support
                                                  quickly so I can move
                                                  forward and submit the
                                                  paper.</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> 
                                                                   
                                                Jacob</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">On
                                                Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 5:46
                                                AM William Waites <<a href="mailto:wwaites@ieee.org" target="_blank">wwaites@ieee.org</a>>
                                                wrote:</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I'm
                                                just chasing down
                                                references for use in
                                                another context and I
                                                notice that the Ke et al
                                                paper is still a
                                                pre-print after more
                                                than a year. There is no
                                                problem in my opinion
                                                citing preprints but it
                                                is suspect in this case:
                                                there's been a ton of
                                                work on SARS-CoV-2
                                                infectiousness, why
                                                didn't this get
                                                published? Probably not
                                                best to rely on it as an
                                                example of practice.
                                                Perhaps to fix on
                                                revision.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                -w<br>
                                                <br>
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    <pre cols="72">-- 
James A. Glazier, PhD
Professor of Intelligent Systems Engineering, Adjunct Professor of Physics
Director, Biocomplexity Institute
Indiana University, Bloomington
(812) 391-2159 (cell)</pre>
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