[Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision
Alexander Kulesza
alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com
Mon Oct 11 22:59:58 PDT 2021
Hello all.
I might find funding for a part of the publication costs as well when
splitted.
Best
Alex
Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 12. Okt. 2021, 06:54:
> Thanks Marcella,
>
> Below you will find my business mail address. It recently changed. .
>
> I assume payment is due upon publication and not upon review. If the paper
> gets published fast, I will be happy to pay the entire $1900 fee myself to
> accelerate the process - or we can discuss splitting it within the group
> upon acceptance - this can be discussed later especially if someone has
> funds secured for such publications. For now list me as the payer so we
> can proceed.
>
> To be fully transparent I am adding the rest of the group to this
> correspondence since all contributors should be aware.
>
> I look forward to the continuation of the process.
>
> Jacob
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> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:05 PM Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>> I appreciate the offer - currently I can't see an easy way to transition
>> submissions, but I have listed you as corresponding author.
>>
>> The only thing that remains is that I need your full address to select
>> you as payee, in the event the article is accepted. Once I complete that
>> step, the paper will be submitted.
>>
>> Marcella
>>
>> Marcella Torres, Ph.D.
>> Director of Mathematical Studies
>> University of Richmond
>> Jepson Hall Room 212
>> 221 Richmond Way
>> Richmond, VA 23173
>> (804) 289-8081
>> Pronouns: she/her
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 11, 2021 12:40 AM
>> *To:* Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu>
>> *Cc:* James Osborne <jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au>;
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>;
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>; Jonathan Karr <
>> jonrkarr at gmail.com>; John Gennari <gennari at uw.edu>; Winston Garira <
>> Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>; John Rice <john.rice at noboxes.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>> paper revision
>>
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>> Hi Marcella,
>>
>> Your response is helpful.
>>
>> I can handle fees and paperwork if this accelerates the process.
>>
>>
>> You can certainly list me as corresponding author, or if you prefer,
>> you can delegate the submission task to me if you think it is better.
>>
>>
>> If you prefer to continue submission, and need information for authors
>> without process affiliation:
>>
>> For me, you can write write, independent, Austin, TX
>> For John Rice you can write independent, Virginia Beach, VA.
>>
>> If you want me to act, just let me know your preference quickly so the
>> paper gets submitted quickly.
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 10:31 Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jacob and group members,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. I was waiting for a response from Frontiers, but it
>> turns out that once I log into my account, I can continue the submission
>> process.
>> I am assuming you, Jacob, are willing to be a corresponding author? I can
>> list myself as well, but I'm expecting to give birth sometime in the next
>> 2-3 weeks so may be unavailable for a short period.
>>
>> As I'm filling out the author information, I will need title, city, and
>> state information for those without an institutional affiliation: I think
>> this includes Jacob and John Rice.
>>
>> There is also the matter of fees; I think this was discussed, but I don't
>> remember who had funding:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcella Torres, Ph.D.
>> Director of Mathematical Studies
>> University of Richmond
>> Jepson Hall Room 212
>> 221 Richmond Way
>> Richmond, VA 23173
>> (804) 289-8081
>> Pronouns: she/her
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:30 AM
>> *To:* Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu>
>> *Cc:* James Osborne <jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au>;
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>;
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>; Jonathan Karr <
>> jonrkarr at gmail.com>; John Gennari <gennari at uw.edu>; Winston Garira <
>> Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>> paper revision
>>
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>> Hi Marcella,
>>
>> Do you have an update on the status of the manuscript?
>>
>> I loom forward to learn of the progress made.
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 08:50 Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> At this point, I have submitted only the *title* of the proposed
>> manuscript (that can be legally submitted) - that is all that is required -
>> and am waiting to hear back about next steps. I will keep the group
>> updated.
>>
>> Marcella
>>
>> Marcella Torres, Ph.D.
>> Director of Mathematical Studies
>> University of Richmond
>> Jepson Hall Room 212
>> 221 Richmond Way
>> Richmond, VA 23173
>> (804) 289-8081
>> Pronouns: she/her
>>
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>> *From:* Vp-reproduce-subgroup <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org> on behalf of Jacob Barhak
>> <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:13 AM
>> *To:* James Osborne <jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au>
>> *Cc:* vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>;
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>; Jonathan Karr <
>> jonrkarr at gmail.com>; John Gennari <gennari at uw.edu>; Winston Garira <
>> Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>> paper revision
>>
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>> Well James,
>>
>> Its a bit more complicated that what you describe its not just editing
>> work.
>>
>> Any version we submit must be approved for submission by all those
>> listed.
>>
>> We have not reached this point for any other version other than the one
>> we submitted before. So there is much more work than just references and
>> polishing.
>>
>> The only version we can legally submit is this one:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> We actually have 5 other versions and may eventually get more versions
>> after review and we can mention this. Yet to move the process forward we
>> need to get feedback from the publishing venue.
>>
>> Marcella pointed out a new venue and so far there was only support, so I
>> hope she can continue the process and ask for feedback on the version we
>> agreed upon to submit before.
>>
>> The sooner the better.
>>
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 02:22 James Osborne <jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just to clarify the versions were talking about...
>>
>> Here is the original submitted version that was rejected by the editor
>> without review.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit
>>
>> Here's the version we've been working on
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VvyP3YZQdQYjj8DFKOpQ4pn_0pdDGgiT/edit?amp%3Bpli=1
>>
>> Even in this state, I think it stands a better chance than the previously
>> submitted one as if you remove all the comments and highlighting it's a
>> cleaner story. This was a big issue with the original version and I don't
>> think it's appropriate to resubmit anywhere without looking at this.
>> The issue is that it will take a concerted effort to polish this updated
>> version. Even sorting the references is non trivial.
>> I think the only way of this happening is for a "First Author" to step
>> forward and take the lead. They push work on the changes and chase people
>> as needed but in return they get first/senior/corresponding authorship as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:33 PM Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks James,
>>
>> This will for sure not be the final version of the paper. We will have
>> revisions and already had discussions.
>>
>> The attempt here is to get the ball rolling and to we need to start
>> somewhere, so the proper entry point is the last agreement.
>>
>> If the editor will be positive, I believe we can reach a nice revised
>> version that everyone will be gappy with with augmented list of authors.
>>
>> For now I just wanted to verify that Marcella is willing to do the
>> initial communications with the editor.
>>
>> Hopefully its ok with her.
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:04 James A Glazier <jaglazier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jacob:
>>
>> I see a lot of progress but the text is still fragmentary. I think you
>> will have a hard time having it reviewed before you clean it up some more.
>>
>> Frontiers is a reasonable place for it, and it does give you the
>> opportunity to do multiple rounds of review.
>>
>> JAG
>> On 8/16/2021 11:59 AM, Jacob Barhak wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marcella,
>>
>> So far there were no objections and support in your suggested venue was
>> provided by 9 out of the 17 original authors + support by many that joined
>> later.
>>
>> I have seen no objection to the venue by anyone. - meaning that we can
>> probably move on to the new venue and start the process.
>>
>> I suggest you move on and contact the editor and follow the proper
>> process for the venue and ask for feedback.
>>
>> Please indicate that we are seeking review to guide further revisions
>> that we have already begun, yet not completed, so there may be changes in
>> title, authors, and text, yet the core paper has been approved by 17
>> authors and major arguments will most probably stay.
>>
>> The version we can currently legally submit is this one that we approved:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I locked that version for changes until the review process is complete.
>>
>> For the many who wanted revisions - we will have them still - yet since
>> we have not reached agreement on a revised version, it will have to wait
>> until after review. is provided and we can incorporate reviewers comments
>> in the revisions.
>>
>> Marcella, please let us know if you will handle submission and
>> communications with the publication venue. - Frontiers in Systems Biology
>>
>> Regarding submission, I suggest starting with doing things that do not
>> take effort - like communicating with the editor about this paper and
>> declaring intention to see the response we get.
>>
>> While we wait for responses, we can continue discussion and give a last
>> chance for objections to Frontiers in Systems Biology to arrive from the
>> original 17 contributors. If any objection to the venue appears before we
>> get a response, we will have to stop the process.
>>
>> Hopefully the large support in the new venue will persist.
>>
>> I suggest we start a new email thread regarding submission and that we
>> all get updated on the process to keep things transparent.
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 1:08 AM Gilberto Gonzalez-Parra <
>> gilberto.gonzalezparra at nmt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think the new version is better, even though it is not ready. The main
>> points are there, which include the importance of reproducibility and
>> integration in modeling biology systems.
>>
>> Probably, one or two co-authors need to take the lead to polish the
>> article and references. I suggest that these authors take some of the
>> top positions in the list of authors (in some places author position is
>> taken into account).
>>
>> Venue seems fine.
>>
>>
>> ***************************************************************************
>> Gilberto C. Gonzalez-Parra, Ph.D in Applied Mathematics.
>> Faculty of the Mathematics Department
>> New Mexico Tech, NM, USA.
>>
>> ****************************************************************************
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 1:24 PM Rahuman Sheriff <sheriff at ebi.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I also agree with the venue and the suggestion to tidy up the manuscript
>> with a strict deadline.
>> Sheriff
>>
>>
>> On 10 Aug 2021, at 10:43, James Osborne <jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> I'm fine with Frontiers.
>>
>> My 2 cents is that the revised version would be more likely to get
>> published. I think we should find time to tidy up what we need.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 5:11 PM Tomas Helikar <thelikar2 at unl.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm also fine with this journal. But we need to finalize the revised
>> version -- lots of work was done on it already.
>>
>> Perhaps we can recirculate the last version of the google doc version of
>> it and set a deadline for finishing it? I don't believe it would take more
>> than a couple of weeks to finalize.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> T.
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>> I agree with Jon Karr. The venue is fine, but we need at least a quick
>> review for readability before submission.
>>
>> -John G.
>> On 8/9/2021 7:49 AM, Jonathan Karr wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I think Frontiers is fine. I think the key thing is to edit the paper
>> (for focus and readability by a broader audience) before it is submitted to
>> any journal.
>>
>> Regards
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:31 AM Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well Marcella,
>>
>> If there is no objection raised or an alternative resolution with more
>> support appears, then I see no reason not to proceed. So I think we just
>> need to give enough time for original contributors to raise an objection or
>> propose an alternatives that will gain more support. In the past we used a
>> week for such processes, I guess that if we wait until next weekend and no
>> objection is raised to the venue or an alternative with more support
>> appears we can proceed. We currently have 5 original contributors
>> supporting your suggested venue and one contributor than joined later in
>> the revisions.
>>
>>
>> Note that in submission you should use the original version we reached
>> consensus for submission, yet note that that we plan to revise the work and
>> add more contributors. You can point to revisions we started.
>>
>> Lets wait until next week and hope no one objects so we can proceed
>> quickly.
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 08:52 Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Once enough contributors agree, the process for submission is that I’ll
>> confirm interest (I just got an email requesting for this this morning),
>> let them know that we intend to submit 1 manuscript and what the proposed
>> title of the manuscript is. Once that initial information is submitted,
>> then I will be “emailed information about next steps”. Of course, at any
>> point we can also contact the editorial office, but would it be helpful to
>> get a sense of the process first and then ask for clarification as needed?
>> At what point will we have enough responses from contributors to begin?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Marcella
>>
>>
>> *From: *Vp-reproduce-subgroup <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org> on behalf of John Rice <
>> john.rice at noboxes.org>
>> *Date: *Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 7:23 PM
>> *To: *Yaling Liu <yal310 at lehigh.edu>
>> *Cc: *vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>,
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>, Jonathan Karr <
>> jonrkarr at gmail.com>, John Gennari <gennari at uw.edu>, Faeder, James R <
>> faeder at pitt.edu>, Winston Garira <Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>> paper revision
>>
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>> Me too
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>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 19:09, Yaling Liu <yal310 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I am fine with the suggested new venue and willing to revise further.
>> We don't need to wait for everyone to reply here - this email chain is way
>> too long and guess a lot of people were busy and ignored them.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Yaling
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:57 PM Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Hana,
>>
>>
>> The revised version is far from ready to being submitted anywhere. There
>> is just too much to do there to put it in shape for submission.
>>
>>
>> We do want to advance in making revisions, yet the attempt here is to
>> accelerate the process by asking a 3rd publishing party to provide proper
>> review for what is actually needed for publication, so you may want to save
>> your efforts until after we get feedback - they will be more effective then
>> when we have feedback.
>>
>>
>> However, we do need enough support and no objections to proceed to engage
>> with the new venue suggested.
>>
>>
>> We have currently 3 of the 17 of the original contributors and 1 who
>> joined later that approves of a new venue. Hopefully others will follow so
>> we can proceed quickly.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for the reply.
>>
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, 23:46 Dobrovolny, Hana <h.dobrovolny at tcu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I'm fine with the suggested venue. I'll double check the sections I was
>> heading sometime this week, but I think all suggestions were incorporated
>> last time I checked.
>>
>> Hana
>>
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>> *From:* Vp-reproduce-subgroup <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org> on behalf of Jacob Barhak
>> <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* August 7, 2021 11:18 AM
>> *To:* Torres, Marcella
>> *Cc:* vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org;
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org; Jonathan Karr; John Gennari;
>> Winston Garira; Faeder, James R
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>> paper revision
>>
>>
>> *[EXTERNAL EMAIL WARNING]* DO NOT CLICK LINKS or open attachments unless
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>> And to all white paper contributors,
>>
>>
>> You are getting this message to raise it to the top of your mailboxes.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully enough of you will look at this during the weekend to comment
>> on the best way to move forward while considering the new offer from
>> Marcella.
>>
>>
>> The faster we move, the better.
>>
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 01:03 Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Marcella,
>>
>>
>> Your suggestion may be the solution here.
>>
>>
>> From what I see, this venue is a good fit. Yet we need to learn the
>> opinion of the other contributors.
>>
>>
>> If we collect enough support and no contributor objects, we can approach
>> the editor and ask if the paper will receive proper review to guide
>> revisions.
>>
>>
>> I look forward for more responses.
>>
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 11:57 Torres, Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all and Jacob,
>>
>>
>> I’m interested in getting it circulated, and want to propose Frontiers in
>> Systems Biology as a possible venue – I just joined the editorial board and
>> received notice of a focused issue that includes challenges in multiscale
>> modeling:
>> https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE#
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE*__;Iw!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFepwnGQ8$>
>> .
>>
>>
>> The journal is new, and I don’t remember it being proposed previously.
>>
>>
>> I am also willing to prioritize revision and submission and apologize for
>> not participating more over the summer.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Marcella
>>
>>
>> *From: *Vp-reproduce-subgroup <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org> on behalf of Jacob Barhak
>> <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:45 AM
>> *To: *Alexander Kulesza <alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com>
>> *Cc: *vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org <
>> vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>,
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org<
>> vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>, Jonathan Karr <
>> jonrkarr at gmail.com>, John Gennari <gennari at uw.edu>, Faeder, James R <
>> faeder at pitt.edu>, Winston Garira <Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>> paper revision
>>
>> *External Email:* Use caution in opening links, attachments, and buying
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>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your response first - it is the first public response.
>>
>>
>> However, I was hoping for a discussion rather than a poll. We already
>> made a vote and the direction it took us all ended up badly so far - there
>> is no activity for a few months now. Perhaps a discussion is in order
>> before making more decisions.
>>
>>
>> And Alex, time is something you manage to achieve certain goals with
>> certain priorities.
>>
>>
>> The real question is if circulating this paper is on a high priority list
>> for any of the contributors?
>>
>>
>> Some contributors publicly declared they have little time, yet we were
>> still able to push though in the past. What has changed?
>>
>>
>> Perhaps a discussion will reveal those things.
>>
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 2:00 AM Alexander Kulesza <
>> alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all, Dear Jacob,
>>
>>
>> I hope that I speak for many others from this group wishing that the
>> ideas presented in that paper do get circulated; optimally in form of a
>> reviewed paper.
>>
>>
>> I think that the time of the year impedes many of us (including myself)
>> to spend the time needed to edit the sections.
>>
>> I have created the following poll
>> https://doodle.com/poll/ydpgvgi594ubi82d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/doodle.com/poll/ydpgvgi594ubi82d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFaV6WX1c$>
>> which intends to get agreement or disgreement of the group for the
>> different optuions that exist.
>>
>>
>> Please let me know what you think.
>>
>> Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 16:54, Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings contributors,
>>
>>
>> Two of the contributors approach me about this message privately.
>> However, there were many more who participated and no one responded
>> publicly in 2 weeks.
>>
>>
>> Do you not want this paper be circulated?
>>
>>
>> I am asking those questions publicly since this deserves a public
>> discussion.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully this reminder will stir up the group.
>>
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 4:46 PM Jacob Barhak <jacob.barhak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gilberto,
>>
>>
>> As you can see, there was no response to your email - in fact the paper
>> writing stopped - I waited sufficient time to make sure this is the case to
>> prove a point. If there is no one to tend to the editing, then there will
>> not be any progress and the paper will lose focus -
>> partially because people will pull it in many directions and resolution
>> will take time no one is willing to provide to move it forward. And this is
>> what happened here.
>>
>>
>> I remind you that I wrote what needs to be done to make progress. See the
>> 4 points in this archived email:
>>
>>
>> https://lists.simtk.org/pipermail/vp-reproduce-subgroup/2021-May/000098.html
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.simtk.org/pipermail/vp-reproduce-subgroup/2021-May/000098.html__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFEHRSJVg$>
>>
>>
>> By now it's fairly safe to declare that the group failed to fulfil those
>> points in reasonable time, and the revised version is in a worse condition
>> towards publication than the version we all agreed to submit before.
>>
>>
>> This situation raises the question.
>>
>>
>> Is there more benefit from submitting the findings we had before as they
>> were to a 3rd party forh
>>
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