<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Hi Marcella, </span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Do you have an update on the status of the manuscript?</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I loom forward to learn of the progress made. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"> Jacob</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 08:50 Torres, Marcella <<a href="mailto:mtorres@richmond.edu">mtorres@richmond.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">Well James,
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<div dir="auto">Its a bit more complicated that what you describe its not just editing work. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Any version we submit must be approved for submission by all those listed. </div>
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<div dir="auto">We have not reached this point for any other version other than the one we submitted before. So there is much more work than just references and polishing. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The only version we can legally submit is this one: </div>
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<div dir="auto">We actually have 5 other versions and may eventually get more versions after review and we can mention this. Yet to move the process forward we need to get feedback from the publishing venue.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Marcella pointed out a new venue and so far there was only support, so I hope she can continue the process and ask for feedback on the version we agreed upon to submit before. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The sooner the better. <br>
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<div>Here is the original submitted version that was rejected by the editor without review.</div>
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<div>Here's the version we've been working on <br>
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<div>Even in this state, I think it stands a better chance than the previously submitted one as if you remove all the comments and highlighting it's a cleaner story. This was a big issue with the original version and I don't think it's appropriate to resubmit
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<div>The issue is that it will take a concerted effort to polish this updated version. Even sorting the references is non trivial. </div>
<div>I think the only way of this happening is for a "First Author" to step forward and take the lead. They push work on the changes and chase people as needed but in return they get first/senior/corresponding authorship as appropriate. </div>
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<div dir="auto">This will for sure not be the final version of the paper. We will have revisions and already had discussions. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The attempt here is to get the ball rolling and to we need to start somewhere, so the proper entry point is the last agreement. </div>
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<div dir="auto">If the editor will be positive, I believe we can reach a nice revised version that everyone will be gappy with with augmented list of authors. </div>
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<div dir="auto">For now I just wanted to verify that Marcella is willing to do the initial communications with the editor.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hopefully its ok with her. </div>
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<p>I see a lot of progress but the text is still fragmentary. I think you will have a hard time having it reviewed before you clean it up some more.
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<p>Frontiers is a reasonable place for it, and it does give you the opportunity to do multiple rounds of review.</p>
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<div>So far there were no objections and support in your suggested venue was provided by 9 out of the 17 original authors + support by many that joined later.</div>
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<div>I have seen no objection to the venue by anyone. - meaning that we can probably move on to the new venue and start the process.</div>
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<div>I suggest you move on and contact the editor and follow the proper process for the venue and ask for feedback. </div>
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<div>Please indicate that we are seeking review to guide further revisions that we have already begun, yet not completed, so there may be changes in title, authors, and text, yet the core paper has been approved by 17 authors and major arguments will most probably
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<div>The version we can currently legally submit is this one that we approved:</div>
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<div>I locked that version for changes until the review process is complete. </div>
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<div>For the many who wanted revisions - we will have them still - yet since we have not reached agreement on a revised version, it will have to wait until after review. is provided and we can incorporate reviewers comments in the revisions. </div>
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<div>Marcella, please let us know if you will handle submission and communications with the publication venue. - Frontiers in Systems Biology</div>
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<div>Regarding submission, I suggest starting with doing things that do not take effort - like communicating with the editor about this paper and declaring intention to see the response we get. </div>
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<div>While we wait for responses, we can continue discussion and give a last chance for objections to Frontiers in Systems Biology to arrive from the original 17 contributors. If any objection to the venue appears before we get a response, we will have to stop
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<div>Hopefully the large support in the new venue will persist.</div>
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<div>I suggest we start a new email thread regarding submission and that we all get updated on the process to keep things transparent. </div>
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<div>Probably, one or two co-authors need to take the lead to polish the article and references. I suggest that these authors take some of the top positions in the list of authors (in some places author position is taken into account). </div>
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<div>I also agree with the venue and the suggestion to tidy up the manuscript with a strict deadline.
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<div>My 2 cents is that the revised version would be more likely to get published. I think we should find time to tidy up what we need. </div>
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<p>I'm also fine with this journal. But we need to finalize the revised version -- lots of work was done on it already.</p>
<p>Perhaps we can recirculate the last version of the google doc version of it and set a deadline for finishing it? I don't believe it would take more than a couple of weeks to finalize.</p>
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that will gain more support. In the past we used a week for such processes, I guess that if we wait until next weekend and no objection is raised to the venue or an alternative with more support appears we can proceed. We currently have 5 original contributors
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<div dir="auto">Lets wait until next week and hope no one objects so we can proceed quickly. </div>
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<p>I am fine with the suggested new venue and willing to revise further. We don't need to wait for everyone to reply here - this email chain is way too long and guess a lot of people were busy and ignored them.</p>
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<p>We do want to advance in making revisions, yet the attempt here is to accelerate the process by asking a 3rd publishing party to provide proper review for what is actually needed for publication, so you may want to save your efforts
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<p>We have currently 3 of the 17 of the original contributors and 1 who joined later that approves of a new venue. Hopefully others will follow so we can proceed quickly. </p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>August 7, 2021 11:18 AM<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 01:03 Jacob Barhak <</span><a href="mailto:jacob.barhak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">jacob.barhak@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt">>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">From what I see, this venue is a good fit. Yet we need to learn the opinion of the other contributors. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I’m interested in getting it circulated, and want to propose Frontiers in Systems Biology as a possible venue – I just joined the editorial board and received notice of a focused issue that includes challenges
in multiscale modeling:<span> </span></span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE*__;Iw!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFepwnGQ8$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt">https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE#</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">The journal is new, and I don’t remember it being proposed previously.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">However, I was hoping for a discussion rather than a poll. We already made a vote and the direction it took us all ended up badly so far - there is no activity for a few months now. Perhaps a discussion is
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Some contributors publicly declared they have little time, yet we were still able to push though in the past. What has changed?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Perhaps a discussion will reveal those things.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I hope that I speak for many others from this group wishing that the ideas presented in that paper do get circulated; optimally in form of a reviewed paper. </span></p>
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