[Vp-reproduce-subgroup] [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision

James A Glazier jaglazier at gmail.com
Mon Aug 16 09:04:00 PDT 2021


Dear Jacob:

I see a lot of progress but the text is still fragmentary. I think you 
will have a hard time having it reviewed before you clean it up some more.

Frontiers is a reasonable place for it, and it does give you the 
opportunity to do multiple rounds of review.

JAG

On 8/16/2021 11:59 AM, Jacob Barhak wrote:
> Hi Marcella,
>
> So far there were no objections and support in your suggested venue 
> was provided by  9 out of the 17 original authors + support by many 
> that joined later.
>
> I have seen no objection to the venue by anyone. - meaning that we can 
> probably move on to the new venue and start the process.
>
> I suggest you move on and contact the editor and follow the proper 
> process for the venue and ask for feedback.
>
> Please indicate that we are seeking review to guide further revisions 
> that we have already begun, yet not completed, so there may be changes 
> in title, authors, and text, yet the core paper has been approved by 
> 17 authors and major arguments will most probably stay.
>
> The version we can currently legally  submit is this one that we approved:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing 
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMEgmdNkx-EsnOjGuegpenSIMmKIkK00Lc8Gred3QxM/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> I locked that version for changes until the review process is complete.
>
> For the many who wanted revisions - we will have them still - yet 
> since we have not reached agreement on a revised version, it will have 
> to wait until after review. is provided and we can incorporate 
> reviewers comments in the revisions.
>
> Marcella, please let us know if you will handle submission and 
> communications with the publication venue. - Frontiers in Systems Biology
>
> Regarding submission, I suggest starting with doing things that do not 
> take effort - like communicating with the editor about this paper and 
> declaring intention to see the response we get.
>
> While we wait for responses, we can continue discussion and give a 
> last chance for objections to Frontiers in Systems Biology to arrive 
> from the original 17 contributors. If any objection to the 
> venue appears before we get a response, we will have to stop the process.
>
> Hopefully the large support in the new venue will persist.
>
> I suggest we start a new email thread regarding submission and that we 
> all get updated on the process to keep things transparent.
>
>                  Jacob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 1:08 AM Gilberto Gonzalez-Parra 
> <gilberto.gonzalezparra at nmt.edu 
> <mailto:gilberto.gonzalezparra at nmt.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I think the new version is better, even though it is not ready. 
>     The main points are there, which include the importance of
>     reproducibility and integration in modeling biology systems.
>
>     Probably, one or two co-authors need to take the lead to polish
>     the article and references.  I suggest that these authors take
>     some of the top positions in the list of authors (in some places
>     author position is taken into account).
>
>     Venue seems fine.
>
>     ***************************************************************************
>     Gilberto C. Gonzalez-Parra, Ph.D in Applied Mathematics.
>     Faculty of the Mathematics Department
>     New Mexico Tech, NM, USA.
>     ****************************************************************************
>
>
>     On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 1:24 PM Rahuman Sheriff <sheriff at ebi.ac.uk
>     <mailto:sheriff at ebi.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>         I also agree with the venue and the suggestion to tidy up the
>         manuscript with a strict deadline.
>         Sheriff
>
>
>>         On 10 Aug 2021, at 10:43, James Osborne
>>         <jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au <mailto:jmosborne at unimelb.edu.au>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>         I'm fine with Frontiers.
>>
>>         My 2 cents is that the revised version would be more likely
>>         to get published. I think we should find time to tidy up what
>>         we need.
>>
>>         James
>>
>>         On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 5:11 PM Tomas Helikar
>>         <thelikar2 at unl.edu <mailto:thelikar2 at unl.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi everyone,
>>
>>             I'm also fine with this journal. But we need to finalize
>>             the revised version -- lots of work was done on it already.
>>
>>             Perhaps we can recirculate the last version of the google
>>             doc version of it and set a deadline for finishing it? I
>>             don't believe it would take more than a couple of weeks
>>             to finalize.
>>
>>             Best wishes,
>>
>>             T.
>>
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>>>             I agree with Jon Karr. The venue is fine, but we need at
>>>             least a quick review for readability before submission.
>>>
>>>             -John G.
>>>
>>>             On 8/9/2021 7:49 AM, Jonathan Karr wrote:
>>>>             Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>             I think Frontiers is fine. I think the key thing is to
>>>>             edit the paper (for focus and readability by a
>>>>             broader audience) before it is submitted to any journal.
>>>>
>>>>             Regards
>>>>             Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>             On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 10:31 AM Jacob Barhak
>>>>             <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>             <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Well Marcella,
>>>>
>>>>                 If there is no objection raised or an alternative
>>>>                 resolution with more support appears,  then I see
>>>>                 no reason not to proceed. So I think we just need
>>>>                 to give enough time for original contributors to
>>>>                 raise an objection or propose an alternatives that
>>>>                 will gain more support. In the past we used a week
>>>>                 for such processes,  I guess that if we wait until
>>>>                 next weekend and no objection is raised to the
>>>>                 venue or an alternative with more support appears
>>>>                 we can proceed. We currently have 5 original
>>>>                 contributors supporting your suggested venue and
>>>>                 one contributor than joined later in the revisions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Note that in submission you should use the original
>>>>                 version we reached consensus for submission, yet
>>>>                 note that that we plan to revise the work and add
>>>>                 more contributors. You can point to revisions we
>>>>                 started.
>>>>
>>>>                 Lets wait until next week and hope no one objects
>>>>                 so we can proceed quickly.
>>>>
>>>>                          Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 08:52 Torres, Marcella
>>>>                 <mtorres at richmond.edu
>>>>                 <mailto:mtorres at richmond.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Once enough contributors agree, the process for
>>>>                     submission is that I’ll confirm interest (I
>>>>                     just got an email requesting for this this
>>>>                     morning), let them know that we intend to
>>>>                     submit 1 manuscript and what the proposed title
>>>>                     of the manuscript is. Once that initial
>>>>                     information is submitted, then I will be
>>>>                     “emailed information about next steps”. Of
>>>>                     course, at any point we can also contact the
>>>>                     editorial office, but would it be helpful to
>>>>                     get a sense of the process first and then ask
>>>>                     for clarification as needed? At what point will
>>>>                     we have enough responses from contributors to
>>>>                     begin?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Best,
>>>>
>>>>                     Marcella
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     *From:*Vp-reproduce-subgroup
>>>>                     <vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                     <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org>>
>>>>                     on behalf of John Rice <john.rice at noboxes.org
>>>>                     <mailto:john.rice at noboxes.org>>
>>>>                     *Date:*Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 7:23 PM
>>>>                     *To:*Yaling Liu <yal310 at lehigh.edu
>>>>                     <mailto:yal310 at lehigh.edu>>
>>>>                     *Cc:*vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                     <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org><vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                     <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>>,vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                     <mailto:vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org><vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                     <mailto:vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>>,
>>>>                     Jonathan Karr <jonrkarr at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:jonrkarr at gmail.com>>, John Gennari
>>>>                     <gennari at uw.edu <mailto:gennari at uw.edu>>,
>>>>                     Faeder, James R <faeder at pitt.edu
>>>>                     <mailto:faeder at pitt.edu>>, Winston Garira
>>>>                     <Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za
>>>>                     <mailto:Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>>
>>>>                     *Subject:*Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup]
>>>>                     [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper revision
>>>>
>>>>                     *External Email:* Use caution in opening links,
>>>>                     attachments, and buying gift cards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Me too
>>>>
>>>>                     Typed with two thumbs on my iPhone.  (757) 318-0671
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     “Upon this gifted age, in its dark hour,
>>>>
>>>>                     Rains from the sky a meteoric shower
>>>>
>>>>                     Of facts . . . they lie unquestioned, uncombined.
>>>>
>>>>                     Wisdom enough to leech us of our ill
>>>>
>>>>                     Is daily spun; but there exists no loom
>>>>
>>>>                     To weave it into fabric.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     –Edna St. Vincent Millay,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     On Aug 8, 2021, at 19:09, Yaling Liu
>>>>                     <yal310 at lehigh.edu <mailto:yal310 at lehigh.edu>>
>>>>                     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     
>>>>
>>>>                     I am fine with the suggested new venue and
>>>>                     willing to revise further.   We don't need to
>>>>                     wait for everyone to reply here - this email
>>>>                     chain is way too long and guess a lot of people
>>>>                     were busy and ignored them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     Yaling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:57 PM Jacob Barhak
>>>>                     <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                         Thanks Hana,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         The revised version is far from ready to
>>>>                         being submitted anywhere. There is just too
>>>>                         much to do there to put it in shape for
>>>>                         submission.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         We do want to advance in making revisions,
>>>>                         yet the attempt here is to accelerate the
>>>>                         process by asking a 3rd publishing party to
>>>>                         provide proper review for what is actually
>>>>                         needed for publication, so you may want to
>>>>                         save your efforts until after we get
>>>>                         feedback - they will be more effective then
>>>>                         when we have feedback.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         However, we do need enough support and no
>>>>                         objections to proceed to engage with the
>>>>                         new venue suggested.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         We have currently 3 of the 17 of the
>>>>                         original contributors and 1 who joined
>>>>                         later that approves of a new venue.
>>>>                         Hopefully others will follow so we can
>>>>                         proceed quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         Thank you for the reply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, 23:46 Dobrovolny, Hana
>>>>                         <h.dobrovolny at tcu.edu
>>>>                         <mailto:h.dobrovolny at tcu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                             I'm fine with the suggested venue. I'll
>>>>                             double check the sections I was heading
>>>>                             sometime this week, but I think all
>>>>                             suggestions were incorporated last time
>>>>                             I checked.
>>>>
>>>>                             Hana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             *******************************************************
>>>>                             Dr. Hana Dobrovolny
>>>>                             Associate Professor of Biophysics
>>>>                             Texas Christian University
>>>>                             TCU Box 298840
>>>>                             Fort Worth, TX 76129
>>>>
>>>>                             phone: (817) 257-6379 fax: (817) 257-7742
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>>>>
>>>>                             *From:*Vp-reproduce-subgroup
>>>>                             <vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                             <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org>>
>>>>                             on behalf of Jacob Barhak
>>>>                             <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>                             <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>>
>>>>                             *Sent:*August 7, 2021 11:18 AM
>>>>                             *To:*Torres, Marcella
>>>>                             *Cc:*vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                             <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>;vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                             <mailto:vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>;
>>>>                             Jonathan Karr; John Gennari; Winston
>>>>                             Garira; Faeder, James R
>>>>                             *Subject:*Re: [Vp-reproduce-subgroup]
>>>>                             [Vp-integration-subgroup] White paper
>>>>                             revision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             *[EXTERNAL EMAIL WARNING]* DO NOT CLICK
>>>>                             LINKS or open attachments unless you
>>>>                             recognize the sender and know the
>>>>                             content is safe.
>>>>
>>>>                             And to all white paper contributors,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             You are getting this message to raise
>>>>                             it to the top of your mailboxes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             Hopefully enough of you will look at
>>>>                             this during the weekend to comment on
>>>>                             the best way to move forward while
>>>>                             considering the new offer from Marcella.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             The faster we move, the better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 01:03 Jacob Barhak
>>>>                             <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>                             <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                 Thanks Marcella,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 Your suggestion may be the solution
>>>>                                 here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 From what I see,  this venue is a
>>>>                                 good fit. Yet we need to learn the
>>>>                                 opinion of the other contributors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 If we collect enough support and no
>>>>                                 contributor objects, we can
>>>>                                 approach the editor and ask if the
>>>>                                 paper will receive proper review to
>>>>                                 guide revisions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 I look forward for more responses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 11:57 Torres,
>>>>                                 Marcella <mtorres at richmond.edu
>>>>                                 <mailto:mtorres at richmond.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                     Hi all and Jacob,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     I’m interested in getting it
>>>>                                     circulated, and want to propose
>>>>                                     Frontiers in Systems Biology as
>>>>                                     a possible venue – I just
>>>>                                     joined the editorial board and
>>>>                                     received notice of a focused
>>>>                                     issue that includes challenges
>>>>                                     in multiscale
>>>>                                     modeling:https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE#
>>>>                                     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/24484/insights-in-systems-biology-multiscale-mechanistic-modeling-2021?utm_source=F-RTM&utm_medium=CFP_E1&utm_campaign=PRD_CFP_T1_RT-TITLE*__;Iw!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFepwnGQ8$>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     The journal is new, and I don’t
>>>>                                     remember it being proposed
>>>>                                     previously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     I am also willing to prioritize
>>>>                                     revision and submission and
>>>>                                     apologize for not participating
>>>>                                     more over the summer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     Best,
>>>>
>>>>                                     Marcella
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     *From:*Vp-reproduce-subgroup
>>>>                                     <vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                                     <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup-bounces at lists.simtk.org>>
>>>>                                     on behalf of Jacob Barhak
>>>>                                     <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>                                     <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>>
>>>>                                     *Date:*Monday, August 2, 2021
>>>>                                     at 11:45 AM
>>>>                                     *To:*Alexander Kulesza
>>>>                                     <alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com
>>>>                                     <mailto:alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com>>
>>>>                                     *Cc:*vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                                     <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org><vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                                     <mailto:vp-reproduce-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>>,vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                                     <mailto:vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org><vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org
>>>>                                     <mailto:vp-integration-subgroup at lists.simtk.org>>,
>>>>                                     Jonathan Karr
>>>>                                     <jonrkarr at gmail.com
>>>>                                     <mailto:jonrkarr at gmail.com>>,
>>>>                                     John Gennari <gennari at uw.edu
>>>>                                     <mailto:gennari at uw.edu>>,
>>>>                                     Faeder, James R
>>>>                                     <faeder at pitt.edu
>>>>                                     <mailto:faeder at pitt.edu>>,
>>>>                                     Winston Garira
>>>>                                     <Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za
>>>>                                     <mailto:Winston.Garira at univen.ac.za>>
>>>>                                     *Subject:*Re:
>>>>                                     [Vp-reproduce-subgroup]
>>>>                                     [Vp-integration-subgroup] White
>>>>                                     paper revision
>>>>
>>>>                                     *External Email:* Use caution
>>>>                                     in opening links, attachments,
>>>>                                     and buying gift cards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     Thanks for your response first
>>>>                                     - it is the first public response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     However, I was hoping for a
>>>>                                     discussion rather than a poll.
>>>>                                     We already made a vote and the
>>>>                                     direction it took us all ended
>>>>                                     up badly so far - there is no
>>>>                                     activity for a few months now.
>>>>                                     Perhaps a discussion is in
>>>>                                     order before making more
>>>>                                     decisions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     And Alex, time is something you
>>>>                                     manage to achieve certain goals
>>>>                                     with certain priorities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     The real question is if
>>>>                                     circulating this paper is on a
>>>>                                     high priority list for any of
>>>>                                     the contributors?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     Some contributors publicly
>>>>                                     declared they have little time,
>>>>                                     yet we were still able to push
>>>>                                     though in the past. What has
>>>>                                     changed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     Perhaps a discussion will
>>>>                                     reveal those things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 2:00 AM
>>>>                                     Alexander Kulesza
>>>>                                     <alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com
>>>>                                     <mailto:alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com>>
>>>>                                     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                         Dear all, Dear Jacob,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                         I hope that I speak for
>>>>                                         many others from this group
>>>>                                         wishing that the ideas
>>>>                                         presented in that paper do
>>>>                                         get circulated; optimally
>>>>                                         in form of a reviewed paper.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                         I think that the time of
>>>>                                         the year impedes many of us
>>>>                                         (including myself) to spend
>>>>                                         the time needed to edit the
>>>>                                         sections.
>>>>
>>>>                                         I have created the
>>>>                                         following poll
>>>>                                         https://doodle.com/poll/ydpgvgi594ubi82d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>>>>                                         <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/doodle.com/poll/ydpgvgi594ubi82d?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFaV6WX1c$>which
>>>>                                         intends to get agreement or
>>>>                                         disgreement of the group
>>>>                                         for the different optuions
>>>>                                         that exist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                         Please let me know what you
>>>>                                         think.
>>>>
>>>>                                         Alexander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                         On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at
>>>>                                         16:54, Jacob Barhak
>>>>                                         <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>                                         <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>>
>>>>                                         wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                             Greetings contributors,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                             Two of the contributors
>>>>                                             approach me about this
>>>>                                             message privately.
>>>>                                             However, there were
>>>>                                             many more who
>>>>                                             participated and no one
>>>>                                             responded publicly in 2
>>>>                                             weeks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                             Do you not want this
>>>>                                             paper be circulated?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                             I am asking those
>>>>                                             questions publicly
>>>>                                             since this deserves a
>>>>                                             public discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                             Hopefully this reminder
>>>>                                             will stir up the group.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                             Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                             On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at
>>>>                                             4:46 PM Jacob Barhak
>>>>                                             <jacob.barhak at gmail.com
>>>>                                             <mailto:jacob.barhak at gmail.com>>
>>>>                                             wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                                 Hi Gilberto,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 As you can see,
>>>>                                                 there was no
>>>>                                                 response to
>>>>                                                 your email - in
>>>>                                                 fact the paper
>>>>                                                 writing stopped - I
>>>>                                                 waited sufficient
>>>>                                                 time to make sure
>>>>                                                 this is the case to
>>>>                                                 prove a point. If
>>>>                                                 there is no one to
>>>>                                                 tend to the
>>>>                                                 editing, then there
>>>>                                                 will not be any
>>>>                                                 progress and the
>>>>                                                 paper will lose
>>>>                                                 focus -
>>>>                                                 partially because people
>>>>                                                 will pull it in
>>>>                                                 many directions and
>>>>                                                 resolution will
>>>>                                                 take time no one is
>>>>                                                 willing to provide
>>>>                                                 to move it forward.
>>>>                                                 And this is what
>>>>                                                 happened here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 I remind you that I
>>>>                                                 wrote what needs to
>>>>                                                 be done to make
>>>>                                                 progress. See the 4
>>>>                                                 points in this
>>>>                                                 archived email:
>>>>
>>>>                                                 https://lists.simtk.org/pipermail/vp-reproduce-subgroup/2021-May/000098.html
>>>>                                                 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.simtk.org/pipermail/vp-reproduce-subgroup/2021-May/000098.html__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WFEHRSJVg$>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 By now it's fairly
>>>>                                                 safe to declare
>>>>                                                 that the group
>>>>                                                 failed to fulfil
>>>>                                                 those points in
>>>>                                                 reasonable time,
>>>>                                                 and the revised
>>>>                                                 version is in a
>>>>                                                 worse condition
>>>>                                                 towards publication
>>>>                                                 than the version we
>>>>                                                 all agreed to
>>>>                                                 submit before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 This situation
>>>>                                                 raises the question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 Is there more
>>>>                                                 benefit from
>>>>                                                 submitting the
>>>>                                                 findings we had
>>>>                                                 before as they were
>>>>                                                 to a 3rd party for
>>>>                                                 publication than
>>>>                                                 waiting for
>>>>                                                 revisions to end?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 I personally doubt
>>>>                                                 that any further
>>>>                                                 revisions will
>>>>                                                 allow publication
>>>>                                                 in reasonable time
>>>>                                                 - which as I
>>>>                                                 mentioned before
>>>>                                                 delays science
>>>>                                                 rather than
>>>>                                                 advancing it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 I assume that this
>>>>                                                 email will start a
>>>>                                                 debate with
>>>>                                                 different opinions,
>>>>                                                 that may take a
>>>>                                                 long time and this
>>>>                                                 is not my
>>>>                                                 intention. My
>>>>                                                 purpose is
>>>>                                                 practical -  I am
>>>>                                                 trying to salvage
>>>>                                                 the paper so it
>>>>                                                 gets published
>>>>                                                 quickly. It is
>>>>                                                 better than waiting
>>>>                                                 forever...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 I believe that what
>>>>                                                 we accumulated and
>>>>                                                 summarized in a
>>>>                                                 table is worth
>>>>                                                 publication as we
>>>>                                                 agreed before. We
>>>>                                                 did reach a
>>>>                                                 consensus and I
>>>>                                                 hope individuals
>>>>                                                 will realize this
>>>>                                                 is the most
>>>>                                                 practical course of
>>>>                                                 action.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 Revisions can
>>>>                                                 continue and
>>>>                                                 information added
>>>>                                                 for future
>>>>                                                 versions, yet I do
>>>>                                                 ask that this paper
>>>>                                                 be submitted
>>>>                                                 quickly to a venue
>>>>                                                 that will accept it
>>>>                                                 in the form we
>>>>                                                 agreed upon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 If we do not do
>>>>                                                 this, we will be
>>>>                                                 guilty of
>>>>                                                 delaying science.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 Hopefully
>>>>                                                 contributors will
>>>>                                                 realize this and we
>>>>                                                 can proceed to fix
>>>>                                                 the situation quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                            Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 On Mon, Jun 21,
>>>>                                                 2021 at 1:06 PM
>>>>                                                 Gilberto
>>>>                                                 Gonzalez-Parra
>>>>                                                 <gilberto.gonzalezparra at nmt.edu
>>>>                                                 <mailto:gilberto.gonzalezparra at nmt.edu>>
>>>>                                                 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                                     Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                     I like Eric's
>>>>                                                     idea  i.e. 
>>>>                                                     "section heads
>>>>                                                     can look at the
>>>>                                                     technical
>>>>                                                     aspects of
>>>>                                                     their
>>>>                                                     respective
>>>>                                                     sections this
>>>>                                                     week."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                     There are many
>>>>                                                     suggestions and
>>>>                                                     I think the
>>>>                                                     section heads
>>>>                                                     can focus in
>>>>                                                     one section to
>>>>                                                     make the work
>>>>                                                     more
>>>>                                                     manageable.
>>>>                                                     Then we can
>>>>                                                     read the whole
>>>>                                                     manuscript to
>>>>                                                     check the
>>>>                                                     consistency of
>>>>                                                     the manuscript.
>>>>                                                     Overall, I
>>>>                                                     think we can
>>>>                                                     focus on two
>>>>                                                     main ideas. One
>>>>                                                     to point out
>>>>                                                     the challenges
>>>>                                                     of
>>>>                                                     Biosimulation
>>>>                                                     Model
>>>>                                                     Reproducibility
>>>>                                                     and Model
>>>>                                                     Integration,
>>>>                                                     and some
>>>>                                                     initial basic
>>>>                                                     ideas to tackle
>>>>                                                     these issues.
>>>>                                                     That might be
>>>>                                                     the main
>>>>                                                     message of the
>>>>                                                     article (??)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                     Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                     ***************************************************************************
>>>>
>>>>                                                     Gilberto C.
>>>>                                                     Gonzalez-Parra,
>>>>                                                     Ph.D in Applied
>>>>                                                     Mathematics.
>>>>
>>>>                                                     Faculty of the
>>>>                                                     Mathematics
>>>>                                                     Department
>>>>
>>>>                                                     New Mexico
>>>>                                                     Tech, NM, USA.
>>>>
>>>>                                                     ****************************************************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                     On Mon, Jun 21,
>>>>                                                     2021 at 8:16 AM
>>>>                                                     Eric Forgoston
>>>>                                                     <eric.forgoston at montclair.edu
>>>>                                                     <mailto:eric.forgoston at montclair.edu>>
>>>>                                                     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                                         Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                         It seems
>>>>                                                         that
>>>>                                                         progress
>>>>                                                         has mostly
>>>>                                                         stalled -
>>>>                                                         there are
>>>>                                                         numerous
>>>>                                                         comments/edits
>>>>                                                         that have
>>>>                                                         been
>>>>                                                         suggested
>>>>                                                         and are
>>>>                                                         waiting to
>>>>                                                         be acted
>>>>                                                         upon by the
>>>>                                                         section heads.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                         I suggest a
>>>>                                                         renewed
>>>>                                                         effort over
>>>>                                                         the next
>>>>                                                         week or so:
>>>>                                                         perhaps
>>>>                                                         section
>>>>                                                         heads can
>>>>                                                         look at the
>>>>                                                         technical
>>>>                                                         aspects of
>>>>                                                         their
>>>>                                                         respective
>>>>                                                         sections
>>>>                                                         this week.
>>>>                                                         Then, if
>>>>                                                         interested,
>>>>                                                         I can set
>>>>                                                         up a poll
>>>>                                                         for a
>>>>                                                         discussion
>>>>                                                         next week
>>>>                                                         that will
>>>>                                                         serve to
>>>>                                                         resolve and
>>>>                                                         finalise
>>>>                                                         any
>>>>                                                         remaining
>>>>                                                         issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                         Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                         Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                         Eric
>>>>
>>>>                                                         ---------------------
>>>>                                                         Dr. Eric
>>>>                                                         Forgoston
>>>>                                                         Professor
>>>>                                                         of Applied
>>>>                                                         Mathematics
>>>>                                                         Chair,
>>>>                                                         Department
>>>>                                                         of Applied
>>>>                                                         Mathematics
>>>>                                                         and Statistics
>>>>                                                         Montclair
>>>>                                                         State
>>>>                                                         University
>>>>                                                         Montclair,
>>>>                                                         NJ 07043 USA
>>>>                                                         +1 973 655-7242
>>>>                                                         https://eric-forgoston.github.io/
>>>>                                                         <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/eric-forgoston.github.io/__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WF1l-OpF0$>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                         On Mon, Jun
>>>>                                                         21, 2021 at
>>>>                                                         5:54 AM
>>>>                                                         Alexander
>>>>                                                         Kulesza
>>>>                                                         <alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com
>>>>                                                         <mailto:alexander.kulesza at novadiscovery.com>>
>>>>                                                         wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                                             Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                             regarding
>>>>                                                             the
>>>>                                                             manuscript,
>>>>                                                             what is
>>>>                                                             the
>>>>                                                             deadline
>>>>                                                             for
>>>>                                                             contributions?
>>>>                                                             I try
>>>>                                                             to find
>>>>                                                             another
>>>>                                                             slot
>>>>                                                             for a 
>>>>                                                             working
>>>>                                                             session
>>>>                                                             this
>>>>                                                             and
>>>>                                                             next
>>>>                                                             week.
>>>>                                                             Please
>>>>                                                             let me
>>>>                                                             know
>>>>                                                             where
>>>>                                                             help is
>>>>                                                             needed
>>>>                                                             in
>>>>                                                             terms
>>>>                                                             of
>>>>                                                             editing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                             ALexander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                             On Mon,
>>>>                                                             24 May
>>>>                                                             2021 at
>>>>                                                             18:00,
>>>>                                                             John
>>>>                                                             Gennari
>>>>                                                             <gennari at uw.edu
>>>>                                                             <mailto:gennari at uw.edu>>
>>>>                                                             wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                                 Eric:
>>>>
>>>>                                                                 Yes,
>>>>                                                                 I
>>>>                                                                 do
>>>>                                                                 see
>>>>                                                                 your
>>>>                                                                 changes.
>>>>                                                                 Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>                                                                 -John
>>>>                                                                 G.
>>>>
>>>>                                                                 On
>>>>                                                                 5/24/2021
>>>>                                                                 4:47
>>>>                                                                 AM,
>>>>                                                                 Eric
>>>>                                                                 Forgoston
>>>>                                                                 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     Hi
>>>>                                                                     Jacob
>>>>                                                                     and
>>>>                                                                     all,
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     I
>>>>                                                                     did
>>>>                                                                     rewrite
>>>>                                                                     the
>>>>                                                                     stochastic
>>>>                                                                     section
>>>>                                                                     adding
>>>>                                                                     in
>>>>                                                                     material
>>>>                                                                     from
>>>>                                                                     me
>>>>                                                                     and
>>>>                                                                     comments
>>>>                                                                     from
>>>>                                                                     William
>>>>                                                                     and
>>>>                                                                     James
>>>>                                                                     G.
>>>>                                                                     The
>>>>                                                                     only
>>>>                                                                     material
>>>>                                                                     I
>>>>                                                                     removed
>>>>                                                                     had
>>>>                                                                     been
>>>>                                                                     written
>>>>                                                                     by
>>>>                                                                     myself
>>>>                                                                     originally.
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     Additional
>>>>                                                                     comments
>>>>                                                                     are
>>>>                                                                     welcome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     Eric
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     ---------------------
>>>>                                                                     Dr.
>>>>                                                                     Eric
>>>>                                                                     Forgoston
>>>>                                                                     Professor
>>>>                                                                     of
>>>>                                                                     Applied
>>>>                                                                     Mathematics
>>>>                                                                     Chair,
>>>>                                                                     Department
>>>>                                                                     of
>>>>                                                                     Applied
>>>>                                                                     Mathematics
>>>>                                                                     and
>>>>                                                                     Statistics
>>>>                                                                     Montclair
>>>>                                                                     State
>>>>                                                                     University
>>>>                                                                     Montclair,
>>>>                                                                     NJ
>>>>                                                                     07043
>>>>                                                                     USA
>>>>                                                                     +1
>>>>                                                                     973
>>>>                                                                     655-7242
>>>>                                                                     https://eric-forgoston.github.io/
>>>>                                                                     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/eric-forgoston.github.io/__;!!K6Z8K8YTIA!VdlFMCuGyTWxTFwAHTufvXzSxbtUQ9ckyDlofvqR1sm1Q-6-HD2vdZtc_2WF1l-OpF0$>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                                     On
>>>>                                                                     Mon,
>>>>                                                                     May
>>>>                                                                     24,
>>>>                                                                     2021
>>>>                                                                     at
>>>>                                                                     6:55
>>>>                                                                     AM
>>>>                                                                     William
>>>>                                                                     Waites
>>>>                                                                     <wwaites at ieee.org
>>>>                                                                     <mailto:wwaites at ieee.org>>
>>>>                                                                     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                                                         > Otherwise, all I saw was …
>>>>
>>>>                                                                         There
>>>>                                                                         was
>>>>                                                                         editing
>>>>                                                                         of
>>>>                                                                         the
>>>>                                                                         section
>>>>                                                                         on
>>>>                                                                         stochasticity
>>>>                                                                         by
>>>>                                                                         Eric
>>>>                                                                         with
>>>>                                                                         some
>>>>                                                                         input
>>>>                                                                         from
>>>>                                                                         myself.
>>>>
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